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Re: Bad day at the office today : Wed Mar 11, 2015 10:45 am  
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Does it?

I don't like DR it's a symptom of a poorly game, however it's here for the moment and you've just got to deal with it. If Jacob Fairbank had scored instead of doing a 'Devon Loch' just short of the finishing post that would have been Huddersfields Jacob Fairbank scored a 60 yard try blah blah

Let it go, Sunday's loss was down to us, nothing else.

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Re: Bad day at the office today : Wed Mar 11, 2015 12:15 pm  
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Yep was aware of that fact.

There's a big difference.[/quote]

Go on then explain away the BIG difference.

P.s By the way I didn't write, 'Jacob is on loan by the way not DR', funnily enough I was already aware of that.
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Re: Bad day at the office today : Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:47 pm  
D/R v Loan.
D/R means if we find ourself short of players who can't step up to the mark or we get injuries means we can go to one club and ask for replacements.
Loan, if we find ourself short of players who can't step up to the mark or we get injuries means we can go to any club and ask for replacements.
Not sure there is a lot of difference.
So far we haven't gone down the D/R route but have got a player on loan who initially intimated that he did not want to be here. (his performances suggest other wise) Apparently we are looking at least one more, before Richard goes down the D/R route
One thing to bear in mind, we have a new coach who had little say, if any, about his playing squad, basically it's Karl's team. If Richard needs D/R or Loans then he has my backing.
O'h as long as he doesn't come to me for a loan.
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Re: Bad day at the office today : Wed Mar 11, 2015 9:29 pm  
Makingplans4nigel v2 wrote:
There's a big difference.


Go on then explain away the BIG difference.

P.s By the way I didn't write, 'Jacob is on loan by the way not DR', funnily enough I was already aware of that.[/quote]
Go on then, I will. In Fax's case if we choose to loan a player it is our choice of player on our terms. If it's DR its the parent/SL club to decide who they want to go out to their junior partners and on their terms....Oh yes it is! Does anyone think that HKR woke up one day and had a sudden bright idea....Let's help Halifax out for some unknown reason. But it's more than just about Fax it's about the future of RL. All this DR rubbish is about us, us; us. The us being the SL clubs looking after number one but if they are allowed to get away with it there won't be anyone left beneath them to provide the all important roots of the game. And then they would just have to play with each other four times a season like Scottish football does and look at the mess that league is in. :SUBMISSION:
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Re: Bad day at the office today : Thu Mar 12, 2015 8:07 am  
Okay, let's strip out the rant part of your last post, which for the 100th time most people on here agree with. Even though IMO your view of DR is rather simplistic.

In terms of you explaining what the BIG difference was I'm not so sure you sealed the deal fella.

Do you think Paul Anderson got out of bed one morning and thought you know what I'll give Richard a ring at they Shay and help him out by offering him another forward. It's quite clear that Jacobs been shipped out by Huddersfield and they can call him back whenever they feel like it, I'd be surprised if he lets Jacob play at Barrow TBH.

The clubs taking on a loan gets a player who has been either frozen out, out of form or coming back from injury.....ie feeding off scraps. Like DR all loans do is paper over the cracks and stop another player from within the ranks getting a game and before you know it they're back with their parent club or somewhere else along the M62.
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Re: Bad day at the office today : Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:23 am  
Plusses and minuses for both teams as I saw it:
Fev plusses: Scrambling defence and team spirit excellent. Looked by far the more slicker and more dangerous side when we moved the ball wide. Had far fewer attacking opportunities yet scored four tries & had two more under the posts disallowed - Moore's offside one was the correct decision but Bostock clearly looked to have grounded the ball over the line (witness the Fev players close to him who immediately celebrated simultaneously) but Stokes seemed to be unsighted. Sykes looked more comfortable at centre and could have had a huge game if he'd been given the ball on a couple of occasions when seeming to be in a gap. Away support in good voice once again given we'd shipped 40 at home the week before.
Fev minusses:
Still too many penalties conceded and dropped balls in our own territory (two from kick offs!) gifting Fax good attacking positions. First time in a while against Fax that we haven't dominated the collisions (though Wood made consistent yards after contact). Kicking game up and down. Allowed too many offloads. Can understand the decision to play Sharp at FB again, but Hitchcox looks a bit wasted on the wing given how threatening he's looked in previous games.
Fax positives:
Forwards more than held their own, especially in defence where line speed looks improved from previous years, and the offload game (especially in the first half) was by far their most productive attacking tactic. Fairbank is a very good player at this level and Callahane adds some grunt to the pack and looks a decent signing. Saltonstall looks lively and should cause defences problems if he can get some service (though his attempts to buy penalties when playing the ball will soon get sussed out and after giving him two penalties Stokes wasn't falling for the really obvious milking attempt for the third one). Maneely looks an upgrade at hooker.
Fax negatives:
Two tries a very poor return for so many opportunities in the opposition 20, especially as one of them was a gift from a poor kick. Looked more likely to lose ground than gain it when trying any sort of passing movement, everything very pedestrian. Still seems to be the same grind-them-down game plan as in previous seasons, will be productive against lesser teams in the League but more needed against the better defenses (and Bradford had opened Fev up at will the week before). Late hits proved expensive in 2nd half (thought Murrell unlucky to be sin binned but there were two or three other late pushes on Irwin, Moore & Godinet and the apparent attempt to harrass our pivots backfied in terms of penalties, though it did get Moore off the field).
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Re: Bad day at the office today : Sat Mar 14, 2015 8:44 pm  
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Okay, let's strip out the rant part of your last post, which for the 100th time most people on here agree with. Even though IMO your view of DR is rather simplistic.

In terms of you explaining what the BIG difference was I'm not so sure you sealed the deal fella.

Do you think Paul Anderson got out of bed one morning and thought you know what I'll give Richard a ring at they Shay and help him out by offering him another forward. It's quite clear that Jacobs been shipped out by Huddersfield and they can call him back whenever they feel like it, I'd be surprised if he lets Jacob play at Barrow TBH.

The clubs taking on a loan gets a player who has been either frozen out, out of form or coming back from injury.....ie feeding off scraps. Like DR all loans do is paper over the cracks and stop another player from within the ranks getting a game and before you know it they're back with their parent club or somewhere else along the M62.
Well fella, It wasn't a rant, it was an explanation as asked for. Fairly simplistic, yes, but I could go on all day snd I'm sure that would only bore you. I don't think for one minute PA woke up one morning and decided to offer us Jacob. What I do believe happened was that we decided to ask Huddersfield for the loan. Also as a loan deal Hudds wouldn't be able to call the player back when they feel like it. Unless of course the loan deal was agreed on Huddersfield's terms. DR/Loans....totally different.
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Re: Bad day at the office today : Sun Mar 15, 2015 12:20 am  
No further questions M'lud
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Re: Bad day at the office today : Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:48 am  
Watching on to see how RM responds to this as he will be aware of the implications of DR / Loans and the rest.

Possibly a test of his character, will he put the principles of the bigger issue first and keep away from DR or will he choose to go down that route as some kind of speculative short term fix?

I would think it will be the latter if it means staying competitive but it's a guess.
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Re: Bad day at the office today : Sun Mar 15, 2015 12:54 pm  
We need to hold our nerve and keep improving in all areas, on and off the field, with the players we have and what we can bring in, its in our hands, we need only be concerned with what we do to move forward. I don't see this system being as important once the new structure settles down.

The Club is appearing healthier than for years, keep positive.
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