Re: Super League Clubs Meeting Today re Bulls : Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:43 pm  

littlerich wrote:

Akbars will pay £1m. For this, they want the lease back (which the RFL forked out £750k for) and a guarnateed SL license. Out of that £1m the adminstrator's duty is to share it amongst the creditors. The RFL are in to the tune of £200k(last months wages) plus £750k (lease) plus £200k(this months wages).

The RFL will see none of that money again. Pricks. They should not have got involved in the affairs of Bradford Bulls.

Sorry Rich, got to pull you up there. The Bulls have got an advancement on their Sky money to pay the wages this week. The rest of the SL clubs will get their Sky money next week.

The bigger question is regarding the guarantee the new consortium want regarding the license. Hopefully the RFL can't give that sort of guarantee?! Or can they? They didn't do it for Wakefield. Or did they?

Re: Super League Clubs Meeting Today re Bulls : Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:22 pm  

MP wrote:

Sorry Rich, got to pull you up there. The Bulls have got an advancement on their Sky money to pay the wages this week. The rest of the SL clubs will get their Sky money next week.

The bigger question is regarding the guarantee the new consortium want regarding the license. Hopefully the RFL can't give that sort of guarantee?! Or can they? They didn't do it for Wakefield. Or did they?

Doesn't matter whether its an advancement or not! The whole shenanigans stinks to high hell and the RFL are up to their necks in it with Bradford with leases and forward payments and assurances.

The obedience and lack of criticism of the RFL is Orwellian.

Re: Super League Clubs Meeting Today re Bulls : Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:37 pm  

justthebasicfax wrote:

Doesn't matter whether its an advancement or not! The whole shenanigans stinks to high hell and the RFL are up to their necks in it with Bradford with leases and forward payments and assurances.

The obedience and lack of criticism of the RFL is Orwellian.

I'm sure any club in SL would of been afforded the advance they're about to recieve on their Sky money. But as I said it is due to all the other SL clubs next week anyway. It is going towards paying the players wages which at the end of the day they are the ones that give us the greatest game in the world.

I do agree with you regarding the lease and assurances the RFL have been giving through the various media streams recently.

Re: Super League Clubs Meeting Today re Bulls : Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:06 pm  

After all this shambles is finished are the RFL then going to prapare for licensing in 2014? Are they actually going to go through the complete sham of a process and bring ridicule to the system? They'll get 17 or so applications on their desk but they won't have the foggiest notion of how to assess them because, in my opinion, some club reps are sneaky underhand liars. Either that or the RFL are stupid. Both in fact.

Ditch the charade of licensing. Bring one ounce of respect back to the game and just decide who you want in SL by having a meeting behind closed doors and stop pretending to use some sort of criteria because, not 12 months later you have a flagship club that has ripped off its fans, ripped off its creditors and brought shame to the game.

Bradford, Wigan, Saints, Leeds, Warrington, Catalans, London, Hull. All protected. All would survive liquidation and be handed their license back. Other clubs would be fed to the lions and kicked out. It stinks.

Re: Super League Clubs Meeting Today re Bulls : Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:23 pm  

justthebasicfax wrote:

Doesn't matter whether its an advancement or not! The whole shenanigans stinks to high hell and the RFL are up to their necks in it with Bradford with leases and forward payments and assurances.

The obedience and lack of criticism of the RFL is Orwellian.

For quite someime I have been trying to put my finger on the manner all the clubs behave toward the RFL and you are so right it`s Orwellian.It`s like the millions of little Lemmings that charge headlong down a cliff , they know they should`nt but they just can`t stop themselves.The RFL keeps all the clubs in line so they don`t speak out and the clubs keep their own fans in line so they don`t rock the boat either.I just don`t get it ,it`s a long number of years since I read 1984 I might just get it and take a look .

Re: Super League Clubs Meeting Today re Bulls : Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:45 am  

Are the players not creditors? Especially if they are registered as self-employed. If they are do they not have to get in line with the other creditors, the ones owed most money at the top of the pecking order and the ones owed least money at the bottom. I know they pay ridicules wages but the players cannot be the top creditors.

Re: Super League Clubs Meeting Today re Bulls : Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:12 am  

MP wrote:

Sorry Rich, got to pull you up there. The Bulls have got an advancement on their Sky money to pay the wages this week. The rest of the SL clubs will get their Sky money next week.

The bigger question is regarding the guarantee the new consortium want regarding the license. Hopefully the RFL can't give that sort of guarantee?! Or can they? They didn't do it for Wakefield. Or did they?

We had a few people wanting to take over club i told that one of them was Steve Parkin a very rich business man who went to the RFL to ask if we were guaranteed a license and they said no which made him withdraw his interest. Glover took over the club with knowledge that we may not be in superleague the season after and his gamble paid off. The Bulls getting Sky money early already put thems on back foot for next season plus the loans they have if a company takes them out of admin they will have to pay this back plus amounting costs of the administrator. It stinks this but not just from a wakefield point of view. The Bulls lied on their license when it came to finances and Halifax should have been awarded the Bulls License. The Crusaders were not in as much mess as this but at least them and the RFL had the sense to call it a day.

Re: Super League Clubs Meeting Today re Bulls : Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:55 am  

Always Travelling wrote:

Are the players not creditors? Especially if they are registered as self-employed. If they are do they not have to get in line with the other creditors, the ones owed most money at the top of the pecking order and the ones owed least money at the bottom. I know they pay ridicules wages but the players cannot be the top creditors.

Employees get some preferential treatment. No player is self-employed. HMRC just wouldn't accept it and quite right too.

One of the great principles of self employment is substitution. If I'm a plumber and you ask me to mend your tap, I can send one of my minions to do it. If I'm playing stand-off on Sunday, I would expect to coach to be a little miffed if I said I was sending my mate to do the job.

Re: Super League Clubs Meeting Today re Bulls : Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:16 am  

supercat wrote:

The Bulls lied on their license when it came to finances and Halifax should have been awarded the Bulls License.

Ah ah ah! Our financial part of our application was too "speculative" and we didnt have a sugar daddy to bankroll us! The Bulls were always a better bet than us.

Fax made a profit this year

Re: Super League Clubs Meeting Today re Bulls : Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:38 am  

So in a nutshell - Akhbars want to buy bradford and pay off all their debts, but only with the assurance that the RFL will guarantee the Bulls a SL license for the next 2 years?!

the RFL will now retreat to the redhall base and flip a coin (or however they tend to make these important decisions!) - i suggest a heavily weighted black,red & amber coin at that.

Not only that but the RFL will pay Bradfords way with wages until the next deadline (which should not have been extended in the 1st place!)

The whole system is a complete shamables and i dont even think that the RFL have a rule book written for such situations - which is why nobody in the whole of the RL community knows what the hell is really going on!

This situtation has brought our game into the national eye in newspapers and online sites, and all it has done is tarnish the great sport that is RL!

how are clubs supposed to convince big sponsors to come on board with RL when the governing body doesnt know its @rse from its tit!

this goes way back and is emmbarrasing!

i dont think that the bulls are out of the water just yet, and if they do go into liquidation they should follow the route of the welchies and be dropped to champ 1, regardless of 'fan base'

...... i was feeling a touch sorry for you Bulls lot, but after the special treatment that the RFL are now clearly giving you, im not!

would the RFL jump in like this to aid Salford, Wakey, Cas, Hull KR, Hudds, or any of their other members in the Championship/1?!! course not!

if the Asians dont front up the cash you should have to start again from the bottom. and i cant bloody wait!