Re: Cant believe they will be allowed to stay in SL : Sun Aug 26, 2012 12:02 pm  

Part quote. "What happens when Salford go bust? Precedent has been set. Or has it?"

Exactly what I posted before with the addition that if a "Lower" SL clubs gets into serious trouble and do not get saved by the powers that be then this is blatant sporting discrimination that cannot be right.

In effect.
Wigan, Saints, Leeds, Warrington would never be allowed to go out of buisness!

Salford, Cas, Wakey would be?

What about either of the HUll clubs, have they not got just as great a tradition and history in the game.

On the other hand.

If any of the clubs currently in SL get into trouble and are saved then what has become of the licensing system criteria, box ticking or whatever they want to call it.

Answer = totally irrelevant.

I wonder if the people at Red Hall have considered any of the above.

It gets deeper the more you think about it.
Bradford Bulls success ( and current image (which is what the RFL say can't be lost) and is not the same as Bradford Northern) over the last few years was built on success on the field through having a winning side assembled by spending large sums of money on signing up some of the better players.

This and the novell idea of getting whole families to come with bouncy castles for kids,live pre match entertainment for supporters etc had Odsal full to the rafters with crowds averaging above the 17,000 mark.
Eddy Emmings said about this that it was so good.
Quote: "Other Super League Clubs take note." This is how it should be done in the modern era.

The problem was that many of the 17,000+ crowd were not and are not true Rugby League supporters.
For a short while as long as the Bulls were winning, they enjoyed it and thought they were winners too.

As the bubble started to burst and the novelty wore off the idea of turning up and seeing the Bulls lose a few games and not sweeping everything before them wasn't quite as appealing and a bouncy castle type razz and tazz at odsal quickly lost it's appeal.

Crowds started to drop but the players were still on the large contracts and a shorfall in funds started to appear that could not be quickly fixed.
That is one of the main reasons Caisley walked away in the first place he knew that more was going out than was coming in and they were slowly going bust.

The irony is.
Having reached the Rugby league dizzy heights that they did.
Bradfords Bulls SL success and there "Image" as a great club that must be saved at all costs is what has led to their current situation.

Having got to the top they could not handle it at the top overreaching themselves to try and stay there, that and some sheer bad management thrown in is why they are where the are today.

Re: Cant believe they will be allowed to stay in SL : Sun Aug 26, 2012 2:46 pm  

A lot of it has to do with the luck of timimg. We were bigger than Bradford in 1986 - they were poor and struggled with crowds. We were bigger than Huddersfield, Wakefield, Castleford, Hull, Hull KR, Widnes and London throughout the early 90's.

We were bigger because we too spent money we didn't have. Bradford are no better than us. Yes - they attracted about 7,000 more people than we did. So what? I would say the end result for both clubs is markedly different though. Bradford have brought chaos and ridicule to the game - and it's still dragging on.

Re: Cant believe they will be allowed to stay in SL : Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:19 pm  

interceptor wrote:

RFL terms of engagement in the SL franchise system in my view = Sport for only those who they the RFL decide, when they decide and if they decide it is entirely on their terms what they decide, or decide to change those terms, if they have previously decided something which now doesnt suit them, they will just decide.!!!!

Then use the words..." due dilligence has decided after a closely contested process that nobody from the Championship can join us because WE are the only ones who can DECIDE" (but we reserve the right to change our mind in case one of the clubs we are not too bothered about go bust ie Castleford)

Thats why we are such a visionary, progressive,vibrant,vastly improving, all inclusive National sport attracting billions in funding, operating with openess and transparancy promoting the goverment ethos of sport for all.................NOT

Spot on mate, so true, the daft thing is the deluded SL fans believe we are the ones in the wrong and are just being naughty saying such bad things about their precious 'closed shop'.

Re: Cant believe they will be allowed to stay in SL : Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:25 pm  

littlerich wrote:

A lot of it has to do with the luck of timimg. We were bigger than Bradford in 1986 - they were poor and struggled with crowds. We were bigger than Huddersfield, Wakefield, Castleford, Hull, Hull KR, Widnes and London throughout the early 90's.

We were bigger because we too spent money we didn't have. Bradford are no better than us. Yes - they attracted about 7,000 more people than we did. So what? I would say the end result for both clubs is markedly different though. Bradford have brought chaos and ridicule to the game - and it's still dragging on.

They have but they have also got a heck of a lot of PR out of this, I have noticed an increase in Bulls shirts and tops the last few months around and about, they have also got from most SL fans the sympathy vote, weird.
I bumped into some Bulls fans on the train down to London on Friday and they just don't get it at all, they really do think we are all just having a go 'cos its them and we don't like them' and that they deserve to be in SL and should stay there, they do not even contemplate being outside SL at all. The daft sod even said 'where was the biggest RL crowd ever?' = Odsal but I had to remind him it was Halifax v Warrington that played, meaning WE and Warrington created the biggest crowd ever not Bradford!

Re: Cant believe they will be allowed to stay in SL : Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:32 pm  

Starbug wrote:

Well a line has most definatley been drawn in the sand, and none of us can expect to be invited over it, so what to do about it? , well apparently the Championship chairmen now have a ' pre ' meeting before the council or APC meetings start, but are they seriously going to all agree to a united course of action?

No chance

It requires all clubs to state they will not be submitting an application to enter SL until the governing body start to apply rules and attitudes equally to all

But they wont, partly because the governing body ( Mr Wood ) is a vindictive organisation, that will take any dissent personally, and dish out retribution personally as well

RL is becoming an absolute joke

Now that would be bold BUT do you really think Fat Controller will be bothered? No it will make it even easier for him to keep the status quo

Re: Cant believe they will be allowed to stay in SL : Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:38 pm  

I chatted to fans of a lot of the Buggeroffleague yesterday before the CC Final.

They ALL want promotion and relegation back.

Licenscing will be dustbinned Soon' I hope.

Re: Cant believe they will be allowed to stay in SL : Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:07 am  

salfordlad wrote:

I chatted to fans of a lot of the Buggeroffleague yesterday before the CC Final.

They ALL want promotion and relegation back.

Licenscing will be dustbinned Soon' I hope.

You'll be "hoping" for a long time lad unfortunately....

Re: Cant believe they will be allowed to stay in SL : Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:58 am  

The latest "rumor" in the never ending saga from the Bfd Bulls forum is that Bradford stay in SL but receive a reduced amount of money each month from sky 2012/13 to appease creditors etc.....and wait for it .....other clubs can apply for the Bulls SL franchise.(Would you it, another fair and open due dilligence process on SL franchise application)

Its quite "simples" he says in a rather Brendan Hill style sqeaky voice ....we keep those rude boy Campionship clubs like Fev, Fax and Leigh, nice, quiet and controlled by inferring the future potential of a place in the SL promised land. Those at the bottom end of SL have to do what we say because they are frightened to death of loosing their licence. Those at the top we know arent right bothered. We have at last got the administrator out of the way, HMRC get the buyout fee but to make sure it looks half decent for other creditors we hold back some of the sky money and hey presto it means we have got some interest to cover the cost of us buying the lease! The Bulls are still in SL so the lease is now back up to top buck, If the consortium want to buy it back in a year or so from us its double our money time!
Fantastic now lets concentrate on more important things in life... (Allegedly says the fat controller as another deliciously large Melton Mobray pie is eaten in one bite....Oh sorry I missed those Championship crumbs he says not being able to resist a sly grin.... as the bald headed giants very large thumb reaches out and squashes them flat...... )

Re: Cant believe they will be allowed to stay in SL : Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:09 pm  

interceptor wrote:

The latest "rumor" in the never ending saga from the Bfd Bulls forum is that Bradford stay in SL but receive a reduced amount of money each month from sky 2012/13 to appease creditors etc.....and wait for it .....other clubs can apply for the Bulls SL franchise.(Would you it, another fair and open due dilligence process on SL franchise application)

Its quite "simples" he says in a rather Brendan Hill style sqeaky voice ....we keep those rude boy Campionship clubs like Fev, Fax and Leigh, nice, quiet and controlled by inferring the future potential of a place in the SL promised land. Those at the bottom end of SL have to do what we say because they are frightened to death of loosing their licence. Those at the top we know arent right bothered. We have at last got the administrator out of the way, HMRC get the buyout fee but to make sure it looks half decent for other creditors we hold back some of the sky money and hey presto it means we have got some interest to cover the cost of us buying the lease! The Bulls are still in SL so the lease is now back up to top buck, If the consortium want to buy it back in a year or so from us its double our money time!
Fantastic now lets concentrate on more important things in life... (Allegedly says the fat controller as another deliciously large Melton Mobray pie is eaten in one bite....Oh sorry I missed those Championship crumbs he says not being able to resist a sly grin.... as the bald headed giants very large thumb reaches out and squashes them flat...... )

That would be the money that is currently paying their team to make the play offs , its a good job they are still in SL or they would have been paying back their ' advance ' for several years in the Championship

Re: Cant believe they will be allowed to stay in SL : Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:10 pm  

They couldn't manage spending the money they got from Sky as it was. How is this going to work? Less money?

Oh my god ..................... i've just realized. The "fans" may have to pay a realistic price to watch the Bulls (which in my view is actually only what they're paying now) instead of the "bums on seats let's go bust" price that they have been charging them.

Cretins. All of them.