[Nat (Rugby_Aholic)]

Re: Penkywicz denies penning Leigh deal : Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:14 pm  

Oh dear. You ignored my main point because it dosen't fit in with your theory. Why would the club instruct Penky to lie? We have signed and lost many players before the end of the season. Why would Penky be any different? We dont gain anything out of keeping it quiet, whereas another player, for example Ellis, may think "I won't go to Fax as I might be sharing playing time with Penky and that wont be good for my future ambitions". There is a big difference between not "spilling everything" and point blank lying when asked a question by somebody who has put a lot of his/her money into the club.

Has it occurred to you that the Manning jaw incident may be subject to criminal proceedings so the club can't say anything! Once again, difference between not saying anything at all and lying!

Re: Penkywicz denies penning Leigh deal : Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:17 pm  

chris_smith wrote:

What the chuff has Ellis got to do with it?? Yes I do think players would be instructed to keep things quiet even to sponsors. You live in cuckoo land if you think they spill everything to essentially fans! Do you not think Dane Manning's injury or should I say how he got injured is a lie on a massive scale then?? I think you calling it a lie is a bit too strong. As I've always said its manipulating a situation for their own means to keep Positive spin.

Or as you put it do I think they'd "lie" to a sponsor?? Yes I do if it benefitted club and player. The same as they've withheld information regarding Manning's broken jaw!!! Otherwise it creates negative press.

Nothing like this thread to create negative press.

Re: Penkywicz denies penning Leigh deal : Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:24 pm  

Dear me!! Just to pick a few holes in your repost..... Do you think players like Ellis would be approached in the first place Unless the club knows either if a player is leaving or won't be offered a new contract??

Secondly surely the club can say that a player was assaulted and as a result has a broken jaw, no further comment will be made until the police investigation has been completed blah blah blah?? Or do they say..... Manning broke his jaw in the 2nd half v Leigh but he's a tough lad and played on blah blah blah??

They don't have to make up a story just because of a police investigation

Re: Penkywicz denies penning Leigh deal : Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:28 pm  

Cassandra wrote:

Nothing like this thread to create negative press.

I know but people really are blinkered if they think fans, sponsors or whoever get told the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth by Sports clubs about anything!!

[Nat (Rugby_Aholic)]

Re: Penkywicz denies penning Leigh deal : Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:39 pm  

chris_smith wrote:

:lol:

Dear me!! Just to pick a few holes in your repost..... Do you think players like Ellis would be approached in the first place Unless the club knows either if a player is leaving or won't be offered a new contract??

Secondly surely the club can say that a player was assaulted and as a result has a broken jaw, no further comment will be made until the police investigation has been completed blah blah blah?? Or do they say..... Manning broke his jaw in the 2nd half v Leigh but he's a tough lad and played on blah blah blah??

They don't have to make up a story just because of a police investigation

Yet again you have ignored my main point.

WHY WOULD THE CLUB LIE ABOUT PENKY SIGNING FOR LEIGH?

Re: Penkywicz denies penning Leigh deal : Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:54 pm  

Nat (Rugby_Aholic) wrote:

Yet again you have ignored my main point.

WHY WOULD THE CLUB LIE ABOUT PENKY SIGNING FOR LEIGH?

For the same reason they lied over what really happened to Manning and I Personally think the word lie that you use is in the wrong context here.

It's in the clubs interest to claim Penky hasn't signed for anyone isn't it?? If it came out he had signed for Leigh and subsequently Penky has a bad game what do you think fans would accuse him of, we could even play Leigh so the various connotations speak for themselves surely??

Penky is probably the highest profile player at the club, he's captain and many peoples favourite, to announce now he's going etc could also be negative for the club in their eyes!! Plus it's news, marketing for the club to keep the story alive!!

Personally I don't see the harm in announcing it but understand the need for spin.

Re: Penkywicz denies penning Leigh deal : Tue Sep 11, 2012 10:37 pm  

Bubba wrote:

Attendances!

Oh, the Keighley game you mean? OK, so we occasionally give the attendance as being less than it actually is but we are only trying to minimise FCHT's humiliation.

Re: Penkywicz denies penning Leigh deal : Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:11 pm  

The problem for me in circumstances such as these is compounded by those filthy, lying, scrounging parasites the player's agents. Now I don't know whether Sean uses an agent or represents himself but if a player wishes to not take up a contract offer with his current employer for whatever reason then the offer should be withdrawn and the player left to get on with business dealings elsewhere until it impacts on his performances while he's still contracted. We've all seen players relax after they've signed new terms after they slip into the comfort zone, similarly how individuals can lift themselves when looking to extend their stay.
In one very much publicised contractual tug o war this season involving one of our players, many inflated and life-changing figures, terms & conditions were being bandied around un settling the player in question, much of this i expect is specucaltion mainly because only an agent, player & the club official in charge of such dealings will be privvy to the details. It's the agent who keeps the player hanging on waiting for more coin, hedging his bets upping his own fee in the process.
If I were the bloke in charge of selecting the team I'd be pretty sore with a player if he keeps holding out, we all know how it works with the planning ahead for the following season ( which begins in October/November ) well in advance of the current season finishing.
It's all a bit frustrating for everyone concerned.

[triran]

Re: Penkywicz denies penning Leigh deal : Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:05 am  

Chris - I don't know why you bother supporting fax if you think they lie to you. Go an support Bulls or some other SL team, they are always up front about their facts and figures i.e. finances ..... oh wait!

Re: Penkywicz denies penning Leigh deal : Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:33 am  

triran wrote:

Chris - I don't know why you bother supporting fax if you think they lie to you. Go an support Bulls or some other SL team, they are always up front about their facts and figures i.e. finances ..... oh wait!

I beg your pardon??? I in fact stated earlier if you can read that I think using the word "lie" was a tad too strong and my point has always been the spin clubs (not just Halifax) Put on news. In football and most sport it's the dreaded vote of confidence for managers, clubs saying no contact has been made etc and in this case Penky saying no deal has been signed with Leigh. My understanding and even The Courier reported it was that the deal was signed and sealed several weeks ago too. Now in sport marketing spin is exactly that and not lying but Nat chose to use that word not me!! Also to support my argument I used the recent Dane Manning incident which the club says happened one way and info elsewhere indicates it didn't happen on the field of play!!

Then you have the cheek to ask why I support Fax, a club up until recently I worked tirelessly to support by helping raise thousands of pounds so it could have a junior set up!! Giving up all my spare time to do so, even though I have 4 kids under 6 and work in a national role at work!!

You absolute cretin!! Please feel free to PM me and I'd be happy to chat to you on Sunday about this.