Re: Breaking: RFL call off vote on Super League restructure : Wed Oct 09, 2013 8:40 am  

Fax4Life wrote: Full story, this has been coming:- http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/24443290 As I said the timing was premeditated to cause the maximum disruption, the next will be a rift in the game as the greed of some SL clubs becomes apparent and they will want more and more control of the game only aimed at their own competiton. Even within SL there will be back stabbing as the "big" clubs fight it out for control and it will end up with a "UN" type situation where you have 4 permanent members that can vito everything that doesn't sit with their own clubs agenda. That will lead to the comp going to 10 clubs with Toulouse one of the 10 meaning 3 more current clubs will drop out and the same thing will happen to the money, the remaining 10 will divide it amongst themselves. Once they have control it will be like a monoply grip on the sport and it will be game over for the rest as they will never vote for the well being of anything not their own. They talk about the threat to the game from the NRL and Union, the biggest threat is from within the ranks of the selfish SL clubs and we now clearly know who they are. Since the bulk of the funding in this country comes from SKY monies to Super League they have us all by the short and curlies and they know it.

Fax4Life wrote: Full story, this has been coming:- http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/24443290 As I said the timing was premeditated to cause the maximum disruption, the next will be a rift in the game as the greed of some SL clubs becomes apparent and they will want more and more control of the game only aimed at their own competiton. Even within SL there will be back stabbing as the "big" clubs fight it out for control and it will end up with a "UN" type situation where you have 4 permanent members that can vito everything that doesn't sit with their own clubs agenda. That will lead to the comp going to 10 clubs with Toulouse one of the 10 meaning 3 more current clubs will drop out and the same thing will happen to the money, the remaining 10 will divide it amongst themselves. Once they have control it will be like a monoply grip on the sport and it will be game over for the rest as they will never vote for the well being of anything not their own. They talk about the threat to the game from the NRL and Union, the biggest threat is from within the ranks of the selfish SL clubs and we now clearly know who they are. Since the bulk of the funding in this country comes from SKY monies to Super League they have us all by the short and curlies and they know it.

Re: Breaking: RFL call off vote on Super League restructure : Wed Oct 09, 2013 8:41 am  

http://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/sport/h ... Ls.twitter Well done mr steele.It always seems to be the same chairman trying to galvanise the other clubs against the bullys

http://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/sport/h ... Ls.twitter Well done mr steele.It always seems to be the same chairman trying to galvanise the other clubs against the bullys

Re: Breaking: RFL call off vote on Super League restructure : Wed Oct 09, 2013 8:51 am  

griff1998 wrote:

Yes, it'll be easy to get a sponsor for what will in effect be a competition of second rate clubs. No Sky money, no Government money either.

Come on - who are we kidding here ? Championship chairmen are smarter than that. There'll be no breakaway.

If there is it will be by the SL clubs.

The Championship clubs should now be getting there heads together to make as much noise about this as possible even if only to try and show the big boys that they are bringing the game further into disrepute when it's on it's knees allready.
At least try put some pressure small as it maybe to make a stand.

Apart from the Championship clubs.

What some of the current SL clubs need to think about is what they vote for or go along with today it could well apply to them in a couple of years time when they get the boot when SL runs out of money again and it goes to a ten club SL comp.

Re: Breaking: RFL call off vote on Super League restructure : Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:05 am  

j.c wrote:

http://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/sport/halifax-rlfc/halifax-rlfc-news/updated-steele-urges-rfl-to-convene-meeting-of-championship-clubs-1-6123625#.UlUF47c_rLs.twitter

Well done mr steele.It always seems to be the same chairman trying to galvanise the other clubs against the bullys

A meeting ? And what's going to be on the agenda ?

There can be no outcome without the $uperleague clubs.

Re: Breaking: RFL call off vote on Super League restructure : Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:24 am  

griff1998 wrote:

A meeting ? And what's going to be on the agenda ?

There can be no outcome without the $uperleague clubs.

first thing they can all agree on and make clear to the wider public is, they will not accept the likes of lenighan and macmannus running the sport for there own personal ends

Re: Breaking: RFL call off vote on Super League restructure : Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:40 am  

Eh dear. Everyone loves confrontation, don't they ?

Re: Breaking: RFL call off vote on Super League restructure : Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:49 am  

griff1998 wrote:

A meeting ? And what's going to be on the agenda ?

There can be no outcome without the $uperleague clubs.

Well at least it is trying to do something rather than just doing nothing and waiting for the axe to fall.
How each club feels about the situation and some agreement on what if anything they can do as a group would be included so they could work together, any sign of dissagreement within the Champ clubs would only weaken an allready weak enough hand.

As you say the outcome will need to be agreed predominately by the SL clubs and the RFL with the Championship clubs a very distant 3rd in the pecking order.

As bullish as some of the SL clubs are they will not risk a total breakaway at this time, it's down to the current members of RFL to stand their ground behind the Watkins report for a whole game solution and use that as the benchmark, afterall that is what the new proposals are based on.

If they do anything else that departs significantly from that then it's down to guesswork and flipping a coin.

Unfortunately we all know very well who the RFL members are and a triple or quadruple U turn is well within their capability.

It will be some sort of compromise (with the Champ clubs bearing the bulk of the compromising) the SL clubs gets most of what they want and the RFL boys all keeping their jobs.

Re: Breaking: RFL call off vote on Super League restructure : Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:59 am  

Well, as I posted on the VT, this is my view:

I used to be a RL supporter, now I am a Halifax RLFC supporter. I used to go to all the internationals, Challenge Cup finals, Premiership Finals and, if Fax didn't have a game, I would choose what looked like the best game available to attend for my RL fix. Now, if Fax aren't involved, I'm simply not interested. When Sky dropped Championship RL I cancelled not only Sky Sports but my entire Sky package and subscribed to Premier Sports. This may seem pathetic to some, for that I make no apology, but I no longer feel a part of a RL "Family".

I now feel that crunch time has come. The SL clubs are holding the game to ransom as they have had plenty of time to voice their concerns without leaving their rebellion until the last minute. The top-end Championship teams have already invested heavily in next season's squad as the death of licensing and the return of P&R was already supposedly agreed. The only issue was 2x12 or 2x12 going to 3x8. If we are now back to "as you were" it could have a serious financial effect as the climbdown is bound to further reduce attendances.

I believe that the time has come for SL to break away entirely. Let them run SL as a circus if they wish. I have asked the question on these forums several times: "If SLE is a separate company run by it's members and responsible for sharing out the Sky money why is it left to the RFL to bail out their member clubs when they are in financial trouble?" The question has been met with a deathly silence. If they wish to break away then so be it but they can then do their own bailing out although I suspect that if a club gets into difficulties they will not take a cut in their money to help one of their members but will rub their hands with glee as the club goes bust and then split their share of the Sky money between the remaining members. So it begins until the next one and the next and so on.....

Re: Breaking: RFL call off vote on Super League restructure : Wed Oct 09, 2013 10:31 am  

griff1998 wrote:

Eh dear. Everyone loves confrontation, don't they ?

The problem im having with this'apart from the timing',is lenaghan has thrown a massive hissy fit and released a statement that he's not happy with the potential new format but he's conveniantly given no alternative.Typical behaviour of a shitt stirrer.

Re: Breaking: RFL call off vote on Super League restructure : Wed Oct 09, 2013 1:47 pm  

Fax Machine wrote:

Well, as I posted on the VT, this is my view:

I used to be a RL supporter, now I am a Halifax RLFC supporter. I used to go to all the internationals, Challenge Cup finals, Premiership Finals and, if Fax didn't have a game, I would choose what looked like the best game available to attend for my RL fix. Now, if Fax aren't involved, I'm simply not interested. When Sky dropped Championship RL I cancelled not only Sky Sports but my entire Sky package and subscribed to Premier Sports. This may seem pathetic to some, for that I make no apology, but I no longer feel a part of a RL "Family".

I now feel that crunch time has come. The SL clubs are holding the game to ransom as they have had plenty of time to voice their concerns without leaving their rebellion until the last minute. The top-end Championship teams have already invested heavily in next season's squad as the death of licensing and the return of P&R was already supposedly agreed. The only issue was 2x12 or 2x12 going to 3x8. If we are now back to "as you were" it could have a serious financial effect as the climbdown is bound to further reduce attendances.

I believe that the time has come for SL to break away entirely. Let them run SL as a circus if they wish. I have asked the question on these forums several times: "If SLE is a separate company run by it's members and responsible for sharing out the Sky money why is it left to the RFL to bail out their member clubs when they are in financial trouble?" The question has been met with a deathly silence. If they wish to break away then so be it but they can then do their own bailing out although I suspect that if a club gets into difficulties they will not take a cut in their money to help one of their members but will rub their hands with glee as the club goes bust and then split their share of the Sky money between the remaining members. So it begins until the next one and the next and so on.....

I feel exactly like this and now I have just lost total interest in Rugby League in general ,I will play no part in puting money into an organisation where I am made to feel not part of it . A few years back I told Rimmer how I felt and that I hadn`t attended Challenge Cup games etc for years , he just spluttered .I havn`t as yet bought my World Cup tickets and probably will not bother although I wouldn`t have minded going to watch Ireland and Tonga . We still have Sky because my hubby watches the SL but I don`t I didn`t even watch the final .
At one time I used to be proud of being part of the "family of rugby League " following League set you apart from the dog eat dog world of soccer .I think the Champ` Clubs really should stick together and start to shout out about the way they are treated in this " Family " as people are walking away from the game in droves . Using the carrot and the stick on Champ Clubs who don`t tow the line should now be a thing of the past no longer can they tell us to take a look at SL for us to aspire to,who would want to be like some of them .
Now I feel embarrassed to be quite honest and just wish the Champ Clubs had not swallowed the scare stories from Red Hall to keep them all in line I `d rather they all stood together and speak out for what is right .