Re: The Shay : Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:12 pm  

"At root, neither club’s finances have been sufficient to enable the payment of regular rents at a
level commensurate with the long-term asset costs. Whilst at times the clubs have been able to
cover the short-term operating costs, this has not always been reliable and in any case has left the
stadium lacking reserves to cover the cost of renovating the stadium"


So surely private ownership is the best option to take the burden off Calderdale MBC
And didn't Mr Abbott say he said he would reduce the rent for both clubs

Re: The Shay : Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:25 pm  

mr t hall wrote:

In a nutshell Bubba what do you make of it ? my brain hurts trying to work
out what i witnessed yesterday.

Superb contribution!

Re: The Shay : Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:35 pm  

"I also met
with Geoff Butler, former Chief Executive of the Shay Stadium Trust and manager of the stadium.

As Richard Littlejohn of The Mail would say "you couldn't make it up"

When they asked a Turkey what it thought of Christmas?

Re: The Shay : Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:46 pm  

Part quote: Plus the former Chief Executive of the Shay Stadium Trust happens to be your father Gavin........ End.

I find this bit, that Bubba actualy had a dad very far fetched, in comparison the rest is very believable.

Re: The Shay : Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:05 pm  

not had chance to read report yet, but it was a good idea to have one carried out to find out thoughts of the best way forward for the stadium as the council do not have the money to do anything more at the moment.

Re: The Shay : Tue Mar 04, 2014 12:55 pm  

Fax4Life wrote:

So let me get this straight, you = Halifax Town Supporters Trust who represent how many people (say at most 100 members I would guess) have had a 'report' completed by an organisation who are 'a co-operative partnership based in London and Brighton that specialise in helping people build better ways to work and live through co-operative enterprise'.
So this is basically a report completed by an organisation who are obviously biased in favour of community asset transfers written for an organisation who represent a tiny minority of the sports fans in Calderdale.
Also who are the people who have been consulted, why are their names not listed? Most reports to give them credibility list the names of the people consulted and their official positions, otherwise you can say what you like as how can anybody challenge it without knowing who contributed?
Plus the former Chief Executive of the Shay Stadium Trust happens to be your father Gavin.
From what I have read there are lots and lots of not very realistic assumptions, this report lacks factual substance and appears to be written to say what the paymasters (HTST) want and satisfy your own agenda, not a neutral position based on hard evidence.

Was having a report conducted by a organisation that specialises in helping people build better ways to work through co-operative partnership (where everyone is inclusive) such a terrible idea? The report was never going to be "The Solution" it was purely going to provide a potential base for future discussions in finding a way forward that suits the council, the two clubs and the Calderdale community.

Dave Boyle met with Cllr Tim Swift, Stephen Baines and Janet Battye as leaders of the three leading parties. Also present in the meeting with the Council Leader was Gary Byrnes – Sports Services Manager at Calderdale Council and Ian Gray – Economy & Environment Director at Calderdale Council. Dave also met with Steve Duncan of Community Foundation for Calderdale and my father.

As for your opinion on what is in the report, that is based on your own agenda (as are most other comments on here) which is fair enough. I understand how frustrating it is for HRLFC and some supporters given that Tony Abbott's potential purchase fell through but HTST remain positive that private ownership is not an option and believe the Council agree.

[Nat (Rugby_Aholic)]

Re: The Shay : Tue Mar 04, 2014 1:05 pm  

Public ownership is even less plausible than private ownership. The report states that the two clubs often fail to meet the running costs of the stadium. How would a public body fund this shortfall? It would be possible to monetise the ground outside of sports but the investment needed to make this happen would be far beyond the capability of any public body. The council cannot keep running it, therefore the best option is private ownership with a guaranteed lease to the sporting clubs. Let the private owner make their money during the week and we use the facilities in evenings/weekends.

Re: The Shay : Tue Mar 04, 2014 1:06 pm  

Bubba/Gavin if you rearrange the letters you can get Babbu and Vagin, er or something like that.

Re: The Shay : Tue Mar 04, 2014 1:12 pm  

Nat (Rugby_Aholic) wrote:

Public ownership is even less plausible than private ownership. The report states that the two clubs often fail to meet the running costs of the stadium. How would a public body fund this shortfall? It would be possible to monetise the ground outside of sports but the investment needed to make this happen would be far beyond the capability of any public body. The council cannot keep running it, therefore the best option is private ownership with a guaranteed lease to the sporting clubs. Let the private owner make their money during the week and we use the facilities in evenings/weekends.

The two clubs do fail to meet the running costs of the stadium hence the council subsidy! The two clubs shouldnt be relied on though to meet the running costs of the stadium which is the key point. Other revenue streams need to be met and from discussions with the council there is a degree of frustration that these havent been explored since the East Stand was completed such as moving council departments into the available office space within the stand.

Private ownership is the best option if anybody wants to see the potential future income of the stadium filter out of the Shay into the back pocket of A N Other individual. Wouldnt the ideal scenario be to find a solution where income can be maximised and redistributed back into the facilities where everyone can benefit?

[triran]

Re: The Shay : Tue Mar 04, 2014 1:16 pm  

Striping this back a bit then - what is wrong with setting up a multitude of offices to be rented out - like Reactiv? Or let Reactiv foot the bill?