Re: Fax v Toulouse. : Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:00 am  

As has been mentioned DR makes it a non level playing field but we have to do whatever it takes to succeed while we have the non level playing field. Look at Fev, Sharp raving before the season how he would give Fev players a chance in the early games but as soon as DR players made available he snapped Leeds hand off because he knows their players are better than what he has available. Take away the dual reg like yesterday and Fev are no longer a sure thing for the top 4. As on the other thread I have no preference to where players come from who play for us and if better is available then we should use them.

Re: Fax v Toulouse. : Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:02 am  

I have no affiliation to any BOD member, coach or particular player.

A question I ask myself regarding them all is if the BOD aren't doing a good enough job then who else is waiting in the wings to take over, can anyone name someone else, anyone prepared to do the job yet alone the multimillionaire that it would take and even then no guarantees.

If RM isn't good enough to do the job then who could we get that is guaranteed to do a better job, can anyone name the person.

If certain players aren't good enough then who could we get that is guaranteed to do a better job, can anyone name them.

The fact is that no millionaire is waiting to come in.

There are no really top line coaches that are waiting to come in, it's just the same ones who are out of work for a reason to choose from.

There are no star players waiting to come in, it's just the same ones who are of Championship standard to choose from.

All the clubs at this level just keep changing places over any given time and occasionally one or two take their place at the top, have a half decent run for for a short time before slipping back again.

Re: Fax v Toulouse. : Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:26 am  

Greg Florimos Boots wrote:

As has been mentioned DR makes it a non level playing field but we have to do whatever it takes to succeed while we have the non level playing field. Look at Fev, Sharp raving before the season how he would give Fev players a chance in the early games but as soon as DR players made available he snapped Leeds hand off because he knows their players are better than what he has available. Take away the dual reg like yesterday and Fev are no longer a sure thing for the top 4. As on the other thread I have no preference to where players come from who play for us and if better is available then we should use them.

The problem is as you touch on, we go fully down the DR road and play a number of fringe Salford players, what is to say these fringe players are any better than what we have?
What happens when Salford recall the players?
What happens to the Fax players who are being left out at their expense?
DR has been introduced primarily for the benefit for the SL clubs, not the Championship and if "used to the full" by more and more Championship sides will mean the SL clubs are the masters of us all.
Using Fev in your example any seeming benefit that a Championship club gets is purely short term at best for them, the danger is that other clubs who loose games against the hybrid teams could suffer much longer term damage as they struggle on.
Before the Cas game it was said to Brian Mac that at least the players coming in from Fev would be match fit, he replied "Yes and this is what DR is all about, in his (and others eyes) DR and thus the Championship is there just to keep their players match fit.

DR should be removed with a maximum of 2 loan players allowed.
SL clubs should have the means and responsibility within themselves to look after the players they sign at every level and not be allowed to abdicate that and farm out anyone "they" choose when "they" want so "they" benefit.

Re: Fax v Toulouse. : Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:44 am  

Interesting article by Craig Harrison in this week's Express.

Just saying what we all knew - youth policy is non-existent.

Re: Fax v Toulouse. : Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:33 am  

justthebasicfax wrote:

Toulouse looked a more organised attacking outfit, but to me they were out on their feet and only managed one big set set in the final 20 mins, I'd say a draw would have been a fair result. Agree re the ref, he gave us a few penalties on players advice, and he got the Boyle incident spot on, well done Ryan for taking a slap and stepping away.

As for the juniors, a skint club, awful weather, an inconsient side, Super Sundays and hamburgers like place mats, I cant blame em for staying in and playing GTA, Call of Duty and Minecraft now and then. Plus if they haven't got parents who can buy season tickets they are unlikely to want to lose their pocket money watching average 1970's rugby.

The League Weekly only gave the ref 3/10, was he really that bad ?

And the announced crowd was 1272. Looking at the highlights on the Toulouse website it looks like there were a lot less.

Re: Fax v Toulouse. : Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:58 am  

sanjunien wrote:

The League Weekly only gave the ref 3/10, was he really that bad ?

And the announced crowd was 1272. Looking at the highlights on the Toulouse website it looks like there were a lot less.

Personally i thought we got the rub of green for second week running of a poor referee.The try Toulouse got chalked when Murrell lost ball would have been given 9 times out of 10.Didn't like Campbell and the Rochdale fans were still bemoaning his display at the HKR game last week.He couldn't even get the knock on signal correct-looked like he was calling for a stretcher .Crowd looked about right would put it 250/300 down on the Saturday football attendance which was given at 1800 but has the season ticket factor this season that inflated our crowds last year.

Re: Fax v Toulouse. : Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:53 pm  

faxcar wrote:

I have no affiliation to any BOD member, coach or particular player.

A question I ask myself regarding them all is if the BOD aren't doing a good enough job then who else is waiting in the wings to take over, can anyone name someone else, anyone prepared to do the job yet alone the multimillionaire that it would take and even then no guarantees.
If RM isn't good enough to do the job then who could we get that is guaranteed to do a better job, can anyone name the person.
If certain players aren't good enough then who could we get that is guaranteed to do a better job, can anyone name them.
The fact is that no millionaire is waiting to come in.
There are no really top line coaches that are waiting to come in, it's just the same ones who are out of work for a reason to choose from.
There are no star players waiting to come in, it's just the same ones who are of Championship standard to choose from.
All the clubs at this level just keep changing places over any given time and occasionally one or two take their place at the top, have a half decent run for for a short time before slipping back again.

I have be critical of how the club is run in a number of areas, but I think that "faxcar" has this spot on. We are a second tier club now, and will continue to be unless we get some substantial funding from someone (who doesn't appear to be on the horizon at all). As a consequence we will only become a regular top four club if we have a season where we perform above our expectations and then use the funds wisely to buy the cream of the players available at this level...whoever they may be at the time.

My main concern is that the club now appears to be one which is not attracting many young fans or new fans (like a number of other clubs), the poor poor state of our amateur and junior game, with the added problem of poor junior development in the UK, and as SL continues its decline (and it is declining in standard and support) then youngsters will not be attracted to the sport at all and the overall decline will continue. In a way this is exactly what SL was introduced to combat.

Re: Fax v Toulouse. : Mon Mar 06, 2017 1:34 pm  

sanjunien wrote:

The League Weekly only gave the ref 3/10, was he really that bad ?

And the announced crowd was 1272. Looking at the highlights on the Toulouse website it looks like there were a lot less.

He was appalling. Too easily influenced by the players and not helped out by his touch judges. Fairbank got pulled for a shoulder charge on about 3 occasions yet one of Toulouse's big lads had exactly the same technique in every tackle he put in without penalty. I think the ref really needs to look in the rule book as to what constitutes a shoulder charge. That said we did not lose the game because of the ref we lost because we were unable to unlock the Toulouse defence which given how many points they have shipped over here is quite shocking and that is the main reason we have struggled the past couple of seasons.

Re: Fax v Toulouse. : Mon Mar 06, 2017 1:36 pm  

Dbvada wrote:

I have be critical of how the club is run in a number of areas, but I think that "faxcar" has this spot on. We are a second tier club now, and will continue to be unless we get some substantial funding from someone (who doesn't appear to be on the horizon at all). As a consequence we will only become a regular top four club if we have a season where we perform above our expectations and then use the funds wisely to buy the cream of the players available at this level...whoever they may be at the time.

My main concern is that the club now appears to be one which is not attracting many young fans or new fans (like a number of other clubs), the poor poor state of our amateur and junior game, with the added problem of poor junior development in the UK, and as SL continues its decline (and it is declining in standard and support) then youngsters will not be attracted to the sport at all and the overall decline will continue. In a way this is exactly what SL was introduced to combat.

How a sport that claims to be professional can not force teams to run reserve grades is beyond me. It is literally a joke.

Re: Fax v Toulouse. : Mon Mar 06, 2017 1:37 pm  

We were poor in attack yesterday - our goaline defence was good but we were devoid of ideas in attack , ball out on the full three times , countless knock ons and silly penalties - vitriolic complaints about the Toulouse 'Try' only paper over the cracks as does the close 10-12 scoreline.

Made me laugh all our Fans on social media upset about the injustice of the dodgy Try - these things happen in sport - I seem to remember in 2015 the Bulls had to settle for one point at Batley when Batley scored a conversion or late penalty that never went over but it was awarded - and most Fax Fans had a good laugh about it.

There is a malaise around the Shay when there used to be a buzz - 1272 people only yesterday when crowd was consistently 7-800 higher only a few years ago and in terms of marketing we do nothing worthwhile to attract people to come down think we charge too much as well.