Re: So what would you target/change? : Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:14 am  

Sounds like we're on verge of administration without help soon.

Re: So what would you target/change? : Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:40 am  

Dbvada wrote:

Like you I think Moore is a good businessman and that he is firmly in charge and it looks like he is having a clear out. I was told by an insider this week (and they may have an axe to grind so its secondhand)

If you give us a clue who it is then it would be easy to work out if they have an axe to grind or not.

- Ramsey is an accountant and has taken over everything to do with the clubs finances.
This was mentioned at an early fans forum if I remember along with mentioning that he had a right job to do because of actions of people no longer at the club.

- Steele is stepping down from Board at end of season.
Again this was also announced as far as I know. Or at least that he would be stepping down as chairman.

- Croad is still very unwell and not involved at the moment, but it was his deals on players contracts and bonus promises that means we have no cash and may be in debt this year if we don't finish in top two.
First bit is correct but the second part is highly doubtful and even the most biased fan will know theres no way we budgeted for top 2 this season.

- The club shop has lost money and we are struggling to get income promised to be paid.
Wouldnt be surprised given the drop in fans.

- The lottery team have taken over the lottery (its not been sold as I thought) and will run it independent of the club.
Im not 100% sure on this but haven't we been part of a joint lottery for quite a while now?

- RM is not happy as he has been asked to cut spend for next season if we finish outside of top four and will still have less money if we are fourth.
Again highly unlikely there would be less money to spend if we finish in the top 4 but again more than possible cuts would have to be made if we finish outside the top 4.

I have been told Moore is trying to get a new BOD and this week he was at the Shay talking to two past Board members, one who was a chairman, to try and get them involved. That to me sounds like a good base plan if they will join.
It will do no harm getting these 2 back, more people who want the best for the club in the long term rather than fly by nights is always a good thing.

Lots of changes, which sound good, but worried about lack of cash as I can't see Moore putting in large amount.

I responded in bold and as you say some of the changes will be good, its a real shame about Ian Croad been unwell as he never seems to get the credit he probably deserves in helping the club to keep running for many a year now. Id challenge anyone who thinks it easy to try and make the same commitments he will have had to make. The sad truth in RL that some Fax fans never seem to get their head around is that there is no ambition without a stackful of money and the best we can hope is to get by and still compete, which to be fair we are doing, but until someone with a boat load of money wants to get involved we are in the situation we are in for the foreseeable future. Our current board may "lack ambition" but they are doing a great job of keeping the club alive and Im sure if someone wants to help them out by sticking a few grand of their own money in they would more than welcome it.

Re: So what would you target/change? : Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:55 am  

Greg Florimos Boots wrote:

I responded in bold and as you say some of the changes will be good, its a real shame about Ian Croad been unwell as he never seems to get the credit he probably deserves in helping the club to keep running for many a year now. Id challenge anyone who thinks it easy to try and make the same commitments he will have had to make. The sad truth in RL that some Fax fans never seem to get their head around is that there is no ambition without a stackful of money and the best we can hope is to get by and still compete, which to be fair we are doing, but until someone with a boat load of money wants to get involved we are in the situation we are in for the foreseeable future. Our current board may "lack ambition" but they are doing a great job of keeping the club alive and Im sure if someone wants to help them out by sticking a few grand of their own money in they would more than welcome it.

Hope you are feeling better soon Ian.

Re: So what would you target/change? : Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:58 am  

mr t hall wrote:

Sounds like we're on verge of administration without help soon.

That's a bit of a leap!

Still I'm sure the RFL will leap to help out as equally as they did recently with another club

Re: So what would you target/change? : Thu Jun 01, 2017 11:54 am  

I do like a spun story from "sources with axes to grind" and "un-named insiders" - always good for a laugh

Re: So what would you target/change? : Thu Jun 01, 2017 12:02 pm  

harry1 wrote:

I do like a spun story from "sources with axes to grind" and "un-named insiders" - always good for a laugh

And so is using a pseudonym to decry a lack of appreciation...

Re: So what would you target/change? : Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:34 pm  

Greg Florimos Boots wrote:

I responded in bold and as you say some of the changes will be good,...... Our current board may "lack ambition" but they are doing a great job of keeping the club alive and Im sure if someone wants to help them out by sticking a few grand of their own money in they would more than welcome it.

A small point - I didn't say that I had been told we budgeted for top two, Simply that unless the club finishes in the top two the BOD have overspent and we will need to depend upon them filling a considerable gap. Hence Moore will not commit money to pay for the present BOD's mistakes.

I believe that the amounts shown in the seasons budgets and what was promised to players by the director in charge of players wages has, last season and this one, been very different numbers....hence the gap.

Re: So what would you target/change? : Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:51 pm  

Dbvada wrote:

A small point - I didn't say that I had been told we budgeted for top two, Simply that unless the club finishes in the top two the BOD have overspent and we will need to depend upon them filling a considerable gap. Hence Moore will not commit money to pay for the present BOD's mistakes.

I believe that the amounts shown in the seasons budgets and what was promised to players by the director in charge of players wages has, last season and this one, been very different numbers....hence the gap.

I think regarding the second part at the early fans forum it was mentioned about discrepancies between figures compiled between ex members of the club and what Ramsey actually found. By the sounds of it there was quite a bit of tidying up to do. IMO its better those figures were found when they were and maybe it might be a case of the the club taking a couple of steps backwards because of them but hopefully it will help in regards the long term future of the club.

Re: So what would you target/change? : Thu Jun 01, 2017 2:47 pm  

mr t hall wrote:

And so is using a pseudonym to decry a lack of appreciation...

er, pardon?

Re: So what would you target/change? : Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:20 pm  

If we have some financial issues it will be a case of cutting our cloth according I would guess so as to preserve the long term future of the club.
Next season we will have Hull KR or a relegated sl team; Tolouse;London; Toronto; Bradford all full time(as I would guess there will be a reprieve at the death for them); plus Fev;-5 full time and one consistently strong part time/DR side.
Going to be even harder next season to get into the top 4 I'm afraid with our current circumstances.
Still have my support win lose or draw.