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DR Moaning Thread. : Thu Aug 17, 2023 5:25 pm  
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Someone else said (other than Greg :lol: ) We have to do what our DR partners tell us to do. :roll:

He was, and is, correct!
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Re: Liam Finn New Coach : Fri Aug 18, 2023 7:52 am  
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He was, and is, correct!

So out of interest how does this work then?

Does someone at Cas just ring Simon Grix and say, like it or not your
having “him” this week and he must play?

Or every week does SG have to ring Cas up and ask if there’s anyone who he “must” take before he names his squad?

If true makes you wonder why anyone would go for such an arrangement. Certainly hope our new coach isn’t forced into being such a yes man.
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Re: Liam Finn New Coach : Fri Aug 18, 2023 10:34 am  
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Let's make this simple. The 'parent club' picks a player or players who need game time or are coming back from injury and tells the 'junior' club here's the players available for you this weekend. The 'junior' club then decides to play said players if needed, they have no say in choosing anyone from the 'parent' club. All this whilst the 'parent club' keeps it's boot firmly on the 'junior' clubs neck. What happens when the 'parent' club gets relegated due to them having players who aren't any better than the 'junior' club's players is anybody guess.

So the parent club offers the junior club a number of players as you describe above BUT the DECISION of whether to take them and play them is completely down to the junior club.

How does that equate to the junior club being TOLD what to do and having "a boot firmly on it's neck?"

Or to keep it simple, could it be that it's the junior club who just needs to add some numbers to their squad for a week or two so they initiate contact and ring up their partners and ask if they've got anyone available and if they have it's the junior club who decides if they want them or not?

Sounds to me that it's the junior club who are in complete control and are using the parent club to try and find a short term fix rather than being short on numbers or playing players who are busted which has been the case in the recent past.
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Re: Liam Finn New Coach : Fri Aug 18, 2023 11:17 am  
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So the parent club offers the junior club a number of players as you describe above BUT the DECISION of whether to take them and play them is completely down to the junior club.

How does that equate to the junior club being TOLD what to do and having "a boot firmly on it's neck?"

Or to keep it simple, could it be that it's the junior club who just needs to add some numbers to their squad for a week or two so they initiate contact and ring up their partners and ask if they've got anyone available and if they have it's the junior club who decides if they want them or not?

Sounds to me that it's the junior club who are in complete control and are using the parent club to try and find a short term fix rather than being short on numbers or playing players who are busted which has been the case in the recent past.

Short term fix is the key here. The longer the 'junior club' continues to use dr the longer they will stay a junior club. Again at the risk of repeating myself, my main objection to Dr is not the harm it's doing to my club, it's how it is distorting the game. There is only one winner in this farce and it certainly isn't going to be clubs outside of SL.
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Re: Liam Finn New Coach : Fri Aug 18, 2023 11:39 am  
Well knock me down with feather - another thread hijacked by DR
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Re: Liam Finn New Coach : Fri Aug 18, 2023 12:13 pm  
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Short term fix is the key here. The longer the 'junior club' continues to use dr the longer they will stay a junior club. Again at the risk of repeating myself, my main objection to Dr is not the harm it's doing to my club, it's how it is distorting the game. There is only one winner in this farce and it certainly isn't going to be clubs outside of SL.


Fax have only ever used it as a short term option and regarding DR for Fax staying in the Championship your definition equates to both being junior to SL and a parent club to Champ 1.

In that setting as a junior club we're all too aware that without the backing of a wealthy benefactor the challenges of changing that and us getting into SL and DR is one of the least of them.

My main objection is the claim that Fax are subservient to someone else which is simply not true so why would anyone repeatably say so, isn't that distorting things?

It calls into to question their identity, their integrity and is an insult on everyone associated with the club at every level, for a certain there not winners in that scenario so isn't that causing harm to the club?
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Re: Liam Finn New Coach : Fri Aug 18, 2023 2:34 pm  
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Well knock me down with feather - another thread hijacked by DR

He started it.
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Re: Liam Finn New Coach : Fri Aug 18, 2023 2:55 pm  
Hudd-Shay wrote:
He started it.


Simply asking for clarification on how clubs can do what they like whilst at the same time having to do as they were told, which you both stated.

The subsequent conversation shows that no one at any time was ever being dictated to contrary to the repetitive claims that you have made ever since the matter was raised.

Rather than starting anything the goal was to defend the club from false claims and to arrive at a reasoned conclusion and bring it to a closure.
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Re: Liam Finn New Coach : Fri Aug 18, 2023 3:51 pm  
It's happened at least once this season where a DR player has been picked in our team only for the parent club to withdraw them at the last minute. Just for clarity.
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Re: Liam Finn New Coach : Fri Aug 18, 2023 3:59 pm  
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Player comes into the club on dr. That player trains maybe twice, at the expense of an established Fax player, learning moves and calls. The dr player is named in the team for the game. On the eve if the game the dr player's club rings SG up and says 'sorry mate, we've changed our mind, send him back. That is doing as you are told!


Every club has control over their own players at all times and what you have said there is that in an emergency the parent club says we need him back “he can’t” play for you today which is the exact opposite of “he must” play for you today which is what you have repeatably claimed.

Late recalls are part of the DR arrangements that both clubs are aware of and do happen, a couple of times to us as I recall but it’s the exception to the rule and the vast majority of the time they do feature.

No fit established player at Fax has ever been excluded from a training session because of the DR arrangement and is simply another false claim.

Every coach is aware that there can be late withdrawals for a number of reasons that have nothing to do with DR right up until the kick off time and keep as many of the squad available for as long as possible.

When someone has to step in at the last minute team wise he’ll be up to pace and team wise they’ll be no worse off than they would have been if the DR player hadn’t have been available in the first place.

That’s both parties acting responsibly within the terms of the agreement in the best interest of their respective clubs and has nothing to do with doing as your told or having a boot on someone’s neck!
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