Re: Official Discussion: Rent Issue! : Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:31 pm  

It seems the council were so concerned that they did not even manage to have one meeting with the club to discuss the issue.
As a Fax fan this is something I am not pleased about but it seems the BOD had some issues to raise.
Hopefully it will all see a reduction in the amount Fax pay as it will kick a whole hornets nest if Town are made to pay more.

Re: Official Discussion: Rent Issue! : Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:57 pm  

Norman Bates wrote:

It seems the council were so concerned that they did not even manage to have one meeting with the club to discuss the issue.
As a Fax fan this is something I am not pleased about but it seems the BOD had some issues to raise.
Hopefully it will all see a reduction in the amount Fax pay as it will kick a whole hornets nest if Town are made to pay more.

But as Bubba feasibilty study points out neither of us pay enough so I would probably think the Councilors will be glad to have the excuse to put Towns rent up . Is`nt there an old saying about hornets nests ?
Poke your nose into a hornets nest and you will come out with more than a snoutfull of honey.

Re: Official Discussion: Rent Issue! : Tue Mar 11, 2014 4:03 pm  

Danger_mouse wrote:

Faxcar, I'm sorry that it has taken me so long to post this but it came up in a discussion with Nat where he said I'd "filled in the blanks with pure speculation and conjecture", therefore I considered it important. Unfortunately for us CMBC have 20 working days to respond, meaning there has been this delay. You'll be pleased to hear I've not submitted any FOIs since the arrears have been paid; I'm just tidying up loose ends as I feel that is the decent thing to do.

Just for clarity though, CMBC can't lie in an FOI response, so the whole rent dispute issue only appeared after 19th November, so if it is long running no-one at the club bothered to tell the council in an official capacity. Indeed, as the council have a written promise to pay the entire amount, with no amount disputed, suggests they may be on quite strong legal grounds when it comes to collecting the arrears.

Again, this is why Town fans were sceptical of Reactiv's purchase of the ground when all we had to go on was a promise of 'trust me'. Your directors broke a written and verbal promise to pay and didn't have the decency to contact CMBC to say they'd miss the deadline. Replace CMBC witha mortgage company and both clubs would have been out on their ears.

What about the one on the 24th February ? That will be out to you on or by the 25th of March.

Re: Official Discussion: Rent Issue! : Tue Mar 11, 2014 4:35 pm  

gizempo wrote:

I find the amount of animosity between the 2 clubs and sets of supporters totally bizarre. Neither club can be proud of their financial matters over recent years, but to keep looking back is pointless.

Personally I just don’t get it! We have 2 clubs who play in different sports so they don’t directly compete with each other and therefore in that regard are not a threat to each other. They both represent the same town, and use the town’s name. They both play in the same colours at the same venue and both are not getting enough people through the turnstiles. History is history, I just can’t believe in this modern day the clubs are not doing more to work with each other, economise, be more efficient, e.g. one marketing team, shared promotional and fundraising events, explore joint sponsorship deals, a shared retail outlet. And maybe more clout to get the council or stadium owners to provide facilities fit for both teams.

Instead, we have the petty minded point scoring against each other, fans obsessed with the other club more than their own teams performance, wanting the other club to fail (when in fact both really need the other to succeed).

best post I've seen in a few months on either forum

Re: Official Discussion: Rent Issue! : Tue Mar 11, 2014 4:58 pm  

Cassandra wrote:

What about the one on the 24th February ? That will be out to you on or by the 25th of March.

I placed that before I knew the arrears had been paid, and again inspired by a post Nat had made. It asks how much rent has been paid by BOTH clubs since 2011. But obviously I'm only interested in finding a stick to beat Fax with. Of course, if you're fed up with me I can always cancel the request, or not post the results when the answer is published.

Re: Official Discussion: Rent Issue! : Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:20 pm  

Danger_mouse wrote:

I placed that before I knew the arrears had been paid, and again inspired by a post Nat had made. It asks how much rent has been paid by BOTH clubs since 2011. But obviously I'm only interested in finding a stick to beat Fax with. Of course, if you're fed up with me I can always cancel the request, or not post the results when the answer is published.

So how much have both clubs paid since 2011 Mr Dangermouse?

Re: Official Discussion: Rent Issue! : Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:29 pm  

Fax4Life wrote:

So how much have both clubs paid since 2011 Mr Dangermouse?

You have to wait 2 weeks Jon.Please see thread about new town centre
franchise i'd like a response if poss. ta.

Re: Official Discussion: Rent Issue! : Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:35 pm  

faxcar wrote:

DM all that changes nothing regarding the outcome or what it has to do with you and reinforces what you are doing, clinging to anything you can to attack the rugby club from a biased perspective.

They are not my directors as in the term "your" but it does show that you are approaching it as a Town fan.

This shows where the real division exists in your approach despite your previous claims to be a concerned tax payer and you are part of the division within the community with your approach.

It creates and feeds the Town v Fax mentality for those that will be taken in by it.

You use the term "suggests" which proves you do not know for sure but quickly follow up in saying as if fact that CMBC would be justified using legal action all the while knowing that each party have their own "reserved positions" after having recently consulted with each other and legal action was never even mentioned or intimated at.

Both parties accept that from an internal informed position they have a difference of opinion as it stands now, but will work together towards a resolution.

As above you state that directors have reneged on an agreement but fail to allow for changing circumstances because all you want to do is emphasise what you interpret as negative towards the club.

If you just go with the well expressed views from a small group of Town fans that the rugby club are just a bunch of liars that are skint, all proved by your biased good work you can't go wrong.

I can't accept anything you say as I know why you are really saying it.

I'm sorry if the term 'your' offends you when using it to link you and the rugby club. I'm used to classing FCHT as 'my' club because I feel as a fan it belongs to me. I'll avoid using 'your' in the future. However, please don't put words in my mouth regarding my stance.

I've been nothing but complementary in my stance towards the rugby club in general - supporting shared use of the pitch, disagreeing with trolling by both sides etc. However I do have an issue over how the clubs directors have run up a debt, for whatever reason, when one of them was trying to purchase the ground.

I didn't consider the changing circumstances as relevant as the club didn't contact the council in the prescribed time to tell them circumstances had changed, they just didn't pay.

Rather than addressing my points that the bidder for the stadium, whose only selling point was 'trust me', has shown that on big occasions he's not proved to detractors he could be trusted (late payment of rent, deadline promise broken, no link to payday companies, putting in a bid that Steele said he wasn't aware of) you just point and shout 'Fax hater' in an effort to discredit what I'm saying.

If that's how you want to see me then fine, that's up to you. We'll agree to differ.

Re: Official Discussion: Rent Issue! : Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:59 pm  

gizempo wrote:

I find the amount of animosity between the 2 clubs and sets of supporters totally bizarre. Neither club can be proud of their financial matters over recent years, but to keep looking back is pointless.

Personally I just don’t get it! We have 2 clubs who play in different sports so they don’t directly compete with each other and therefore in that regard are not a threat to each other. They both represent the same town, and use the town’s name. They both play in the same colours at the same venue and both are not getting enough people through the turnstiles. History is history, I just can’t believe in this modern day the clubs are not doing more to work with each other, economise, be more efficient, e.g. one marketing team, shared promotional and fundraising events, explore joint sponsorship deals, a shared retail outlet. And maybe more clout to get the council or stadium owners to provide facilities fit for both teams.

Instead, we have the petty minded point scoring against each other, fans obsessed with the other club more than their own teams performance, wanting the other club to fail (when in fact both really need the other to succeed).

I have no time for Football/Soccer and think its the most overhyped rubbish out. Also the arrogance of a number of Football fans, especially the lot that follow Halifax Town means I have no time for them or the club or sport. I used to not care ,but the attacks not just on Tony Abbott but more the Rugby Club and the heartbeat of Sport from a number of football fans, has changed things,so that I hope they always struggle. Personally I dont see the need why Football fans are so obsessed with the RUgby club and feel the need to find out so much information. I couldnt care less if Halifax Town owed money and to whom. I couldnt care less who is involved in running them. As said I dont have any time for Halifax Town the fans or the Sport. But I also dont feel the need to go around spreading rumours or going on public forums like the Courier or on here creating problems and making up things.

The RUgby club could have done things better since being at The Shay. But the pathetic actions from the Football club also has not helped. I remeber doors being locked and keys conveniently going missing and the Football club blaming things on the RUgby club instead of looking closer to home. No doubt the Rugby club has helped create a situation where neither club trusts the other and any chance of working much together is remote. Personally I would rather things stay the way things are and Fax concentrate on themselves and not try sharing things which no doubt would end up in arguments as usual-

Re: Official Discussion: Rent Issue! : Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:21 pm  

part quote. "We'll agree to differ".

We certainly will.

I don't have to address your points and no one else does because all of it never got to a point where it needed to be by anyone outside Reactiv and CMBC or HRLFC and CMBC.

The crux of the matter from a Town point of view rests with the fact that Reactiv and TA were associated with the rugby club and they could not bide to think about a situation where they owned the Shay and thus had some control over them, they would rather the Shay close first. FACT.

As regards shouting "Fax Hater" look at your own club and forum they are shouting it loud enough.

Here's some typical examples of what is being said using the information you have obtained.

Quote: "Liars liars liars.

The rugby club just can't stop themselves lying, lying to their own fans and the Calderdale public".

Quote: "Set of lying cheating barstewards then! I'm shocked".

Quote: "outstanding work danger mouse, absolutely leaves them standing stark bollock naked in front of their stack of lies, lies and more lies".

No doubt they will be proud of the fact they have said it and having it quoted on here.

Lies!!!!

How can the directors of HRLFC have lied about anything in the FOI when they have never answered any of the questions, they have done the opposite and chosen not to say anything in public concerning these matters.

All the above comments and many more from Town fans are based on their hatred of anything Fax but at least they have the guts to say it as it is.

"Truly outstanding work", sorry we'll have to agree to differ again.

Any discredit you bring it on yourselves.