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Re: Enough is Enough : Sun May 25, 2014 10:28 pm  

Can anyone honestly see a Harrison team beating the two relegated St teams? I can't. We have gone backwards and I think we are back to where we were before Hall and Callander came along. I would rather take a chance on another coach than accept poor standards for another three years.

Re: Enough is Enough : Sun May 25, 2014 11:35 pm  

Calland and hall had a much bigger budget than Karl and if fans stay away then next year the budget will be smaller! Stop moaning and get behind the team! This is sport and nobody has a right to win you have to earn it! I will be there good or bad because it's my team!
We are not out of the race yet and games won or lost in the last seconds are thrilling ! Sometimes it goes your way but today it didn't !!! We will be back ask Charlie!!!

Re: Enough is Enough : Mon May 26, 2014 12:20 am  

Your board will never sack Harrison unless you're bottom of the league. In short, they're scared of him. It's that simple. He's a Rasputin-esque figure.

Re: Enough is Enough : Mon May 26, 2014 7:12 am  

faxcar wrote:

It's more a case of being realistic than being happy.

Fax are not the best side at the moment and it's not just down to the coach, the other sides haven't just stood still.

Todays opponents, Dewsbury are a much better side than they were 3 years ago, they along with everyone else want to win games just as much as we do, there not going let us turn up and walk over them regardless of who the coach is.

Todays game after saying it's going to be close and too hard to call with the lead changing hands on several occasions and ends up with 2 points in it why are we surprised at the result?

There are a few very experienced coaches in this division who's teams are not exactly doing anything special.

When KH took over the club it was partly because of fans calling for Calland's head even though we were the second best club in the division, still not good enough.

It was Calland hasn't got a clue, he's rubbish bring in KH look what he has done at Batley, trust in KH, trust in the Rhino. How different now.

The point being.

The BOD probably listened then but now know even when the coach is replaced who can predict his successor would be any better?
Maybe they do know what they are doing based on past experience and are thinking long and hard at the options.

Only Leigh and Fev are clearly better than the rest at the moment and they have spent a lot more than Fax have to get there, outside of these any of the remaining contenders can get the result on any given day against each other.

Will the investment of the big spending 2 show dividends, there's no guarantee.

The truth will be seen when the teams merging form SL and Championship kicks in next year when the big spending Leigh and Fev come up against the SL sides, the SL teams still have a significant advantage.

If Leigh and Fev fail it could come back to bite them big time and it would be the same for us, maybe not as bad as it seems to see how it works out over the next year or so.

Totally agree - whatever we think about KH we need to get behind the team. We have some cracking players who are busting a gut - IMO it will stat to come good.

Re: Enough is Enough : Mon May 26, 2014 7:55 am  

I never once called for Calland out, but I have had enough of watching a team playing with no confidence at all.

The club is in freefall. Fans are fed up, so they stay away. Smaller budget next season, smaller squad playing against ex Superleague teams and top 2 championship teams, with larger budgets, more downward spiral.

Unfortunately as much as others shout for everyone to get behind their team, people are not going to turn up and pay to watch this type of rugby, therefore the only people who can turn this around is the BOD.

Re: Enough is Enough : Mon May 26, 2014 8:49 am  

Problem is, it's a vicious cycle where everyone loses.

I'm not going anymore until things change, but things can't change if people stop going because the BOD can't do it on their own.
The end result is the free fall happens quicker with little chance of recovery.

There are no guarantees even if the club did change things it would be for the better, only after the event would anyone know, some would gamble, some wouldn't.

The problems Fax are facing are affecting most of the other clubs with their BOD's and coaching staff, are they all rubbish or is it still a sign of difficult times?

For a player confidence for example comes from a number of areas.

As a player or players off the field.

If the BOD pay them their wages on time and give them the support as an organisation they don't have to worry about that side of the game, the players have confidence in that area.

Our BOD have done that. When the BOD with the above in mind after having bank rolled the club from their own pockets with no hope of ever seeing their money back and hear what is being said about them by some of their own supporters this above all else will undermine their resolve and this comes from the terraces not the board room.

As a player or players on the field.

When a player or players busts there gut but still ends up on the losing side he his suffering enough, especially if he has contributed in some way to the loss by a dropped ball or missed kick.

When these guys hear what is being said about them from their some of there own supporters this above all else will undermine their confidence and that comes from the terraces not the board room.

Cards on the table and looking myself in the eye when I say it, I honestly think we are still in the mind set of being some sort of sleeping giant club that is too good for the Championship and we should not be losing to Dewsbury, Batley etc and when we do we can't handle it so blame someone else, the BOD the coach, the players.

It's been a constant theme over the last few years regardless of who the BOD are or who the Coach or players are whenever we lose for us to slag someone off and the BOD should produce this magic wand or solution instantly or else.

Reality is, even if we once were a giant, which is debatable in 2014 we definitely aren't and this downward spiral is likely to continue with everyone in some way contributing to it.

Re: Enough is Enough : Mon May 26, 2014 9:00 am  

Yarnman wrote:

Calland and hall had a much bigger budget than Karl and if fans stay away then next year the budget will be smaller! Stop moaning and get behind the team! This is sport and nobody has a right to win you have to earn it! I will be there good or bad because it's my team!
We are not out of the race yet and games won or lost in the last seconds are thrilling ! Sometimes it goes your way but today it didn't !!! We will be back ask Charlie!!!

Stop moaning......? Please and if you think that anything we currently dish out is thrilling you are sadly deluded. I agree no team has a good given right to win but we do have a rich recent history that says we should be challenging. Fans are walking away in droves, KH plays distinctly poor one man rugby, our marketing and communication to fans is the poorest it's ever been and the attitude seems to be if we bury our heads in the sand it might be ok. Sorry but if that is our ambition the club is truly in freefall. The side looks devoid of leadership, ideas and we have a coach who changes a side more often than he changes his socks. Partnerships and understanding don't get made nor does confidence. Strange selection choices, poor player attraction in the main or decent players who sign for Fax and become overnight flops......? The rugby on show is drab, boring and KH has taken us backwards......? I look forward to your lecture Mr Windsor yarnman.

Re: Enough is Enough : Mon May 26, 2014 9:20 am  

faxcar wrote:

Problem is, it's a vicious cycle where everyone loses.

I'm not going anymore until things change, but things can't change if people stop going because the BOD can't do it on their own.
The end result is the free fall happens quicker with little chance of recovery.

There are no guarantees even if the club did change things it would be for the better, only after the event would anyone know, some would gamble, some wouldn't.

The problems Fax are facing are affecting most of the other clubs with their BOD's and coaching staff, are they all rubbish or is it still a sign of difficult times?

For a player confidence for example comes from a number of areas.

As a player or players off the field.

If the BOD pay them their wages on time and give them the support as an organisation they don't have to worry about that side of the game, the players have confidence in that area.

Our BOD have done that. When the BOD with the above in mind after having bank rolled the club from their own pockets with no hope of ever seeing their money back and hear what is being said about them by some of their own supporters this above all else will undermine their resolve and this comes from the terraces not the board room.

As a player or players on the field.

When a player or players busts there gut but still ends up on the losing side he his suffering enough, especially if he has contributed in some way to the loss by a dropped ball or missed kick.

When these guys hear what is being said about them from their some of there own supporters this above all else will undermine their confidence and that comes from the terraces not the board room.

Cards on the table and looking myself in the eye when I say it, I honestly think we are still in the mind set of being some sort of sleeping giant club that is too good for the Championship and we should not be losing to Dewsbury, Batley etc and when we do we can't handle it so blame someone else, the BOD the coach, the players.

It's been a constant theme over the last few years regardless of who the BOD are or who the Coach or players are whenever we lose for us to slag someone off and the BOD should produce this magic wand or solution instantly or else.

Reality is, even if we once were a giant, which is debatable in 2014 we definitely aren't and this downward spiral is likely to continue with everyone in some way contributing to it.

What so we just accept it....? Look at the history of the club and it is a sleeping giant as are one or two more in our league. However our recent history is more impressive than many of these clubs: SL founder and ever present until 2003 , challenge cup winner within this generation, league champions etc. Admittedly recent history not so illustrious but nevertheless Grand Finals and NRC winners say we've done ok. Crowds were improving andwe had a decent fan base to play with of 2k plus. The only downside was we underachieved at times with arguably the best squad in the league and that was Callands failing along with off field issues and our tendancy to not defend.
KH comes on board and dissects an exciting brand of rugby for his brand of boring rugby and assembles a side who in 3 years loses half its fan base. You seem to think we should just blindly pay £15 without question and put up with this rubbish....? These are hard times and money is tough still for many, blind loyalty is no longer the foregone conclusion it once delivered but value for money and entertainment are now a huge part of the equation. Neither of which I feel we get from the club. I've been through lots in 30 plus years following this club and stood through some dire moments but I've never felt so fed up or disassociated by the club. We seem rudderless and lacking leadership across all levels of the club.
Never has the demise of the club felt so real, change is needed across the whole club but I don't see it happening or realistic sadly.

Re: Enough is Enough : Mon May 26, 2014 9:36 am  

Its a sad fact of Rugby League at the moment but we really need a money man/men. As it stands at the moment it has to be a combination of things to put the club back on the up, good team performances, winning performances, good vibes coming from the club, as Chris says at the moment it is hard to say we have any of those.

I think our pack set a great platform for us but we dont have the players to take advantage of the situation. We have a one of the best Loose Forwards in the league playing stand off, a position he does not want to play and hasnt played since he were about 18. This is down to KH's poor recruitment.

We have a standoff who has been on loan at Batley who KH thought still good enough to play top end Championship when most good judges realized very differently. I feel sorry for the lad because we should never have signed him and he shouldnt have been put in this position. Again bad recruitment.

We have the best second rower in the competition playing in the centre, why? You guessed it poor recruitment(or poor coaching but will get to that later)

We have a problem at hooker again although to be fair to KH if he had signed the pair we did 5 years ago they would have been good signings. He should have gone after a young, hungry, quick hooker but he didnt chase hard enough. Playing next to Paul Rowley for so long I would have thought KH would be able to judge a hooker pretty well. Again poor recruitment.

We have a team that looks devoid of confidence, Ste Tyrer a great example when it comes to kicking. Im not going to lie but when I watched KH's interview before the game when he was asked about Ste's kicking and practically blamed him for losing us games I were fuming. What is the lad meant to think? Thats when it needs a coach to say the right thing and saying kicking has cost us games this season is not the right thing. Read from the script, say kickers dont lose games they win them, do whatever you can to take the pressure off the guy. I was gutted for the lad yesterday knowing how much it means to him and knowing what he can expect from his coach.

Talking to a few players it seems that KH only has one way and that is lambasting them at any opportunity and for me if that is true then it is very poor man management. I dont think some of the back room staff should escape without a mention and when I hear players saying that the assistants are not too cracky either it starts to be a bit of a worry. I even had a local coach saying about Martin Gonzales was the best stats man around and could tell you anything you need to know about a player apart from if the player was going to be any good. The guy mentioned how he had recommended a number of players to Fax one especially who was a text book tackler but on the small size. He got rejected because he was told he was too small, snapped up by a SL club though and could easily have done a job at this level.

Then we get to the club itself and the half assed way it seems to go about things. Leigh are showing the way when it comes to this, even little examples like the team coming in after the game suited and booted, it screams professional outfit. Obviously I have said all i want to about the Fax TV idea and again I feel for the lad doing it because other than having people available for interviews it seems the club is not doing much in the way of helping him out and that is poor for what is a great idea and one that could make the club money.

Its a poor do when our main mans website says this:- Reactiv - Direct Marketing With A Difference, if that difference means no marketing then i guess its a tick in the box. Do we even have a marketing strategy? If we do then its no wonder so many people question it because it is simply not happening.

Re: Enough is Enough : Mon May 26, 2014 9:43 am  

Yarnman wrote:

Calland and hall had a much bigger budget than Karl and if fans stay away then next year the budget will be smaller! Stop moaning and get behind the team! This is sport and nobody has a right to win you have to earn it! I will be there good or bad because it's my team!
We are not out of the race yet and games won or lost in the last seconds are thrilling ! Sometimes it goes your way but today it didn't !!! We will be back ask Charlie!!!

Waking up this morning , my mood should be very good , but after yesterdays events concerning Leigh fan Steven O Dwyer , im more serious and Sombre .

I get no pleasure either from seeing Fax in the State you are in at the moment , and agree with Yarnman , you are not out of the race for 2nd Spot yet , obviously you must start to win games , and fast , but it isn't over yet , I was at the Shay a few weeks ago when a slick fast Fax side pasted Leigh for most of the first half , im not sure what is happening at the moment , I KNOW Fax can turn this around , this League needs a Strong Fax side , don't give up , maybe you do need a change of Coach , that's for your BOD to sort out , but keep following your boys , its the only way forward .Charlie knows .