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Re: V Sheffield : Sat May 25, 2013 8:55 pm  
Too often Rob is left without support on high balls and then everybody says he can't cope, help the lad out and see what he can do.
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Re: V Sheffield : Sat May 25, 2013 11:57 pm  
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Too often Rob is left without support on high balls and then everybody says he can't cope, help the lad out and see what he can do.


That was our big problem !! Last tackle, we watched the ball go to Brambini, let him kick and watched as 3 Sheff players competed against an isolated player.

Throughout Sheffield played with more passion and enthusiasm, looking like a team
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Re: V Sheffield : Sun May 26, 2013 9:25 am  
Norman Bates wrote:
Too often Rob is left without support on high balls and then everybody says he can't cope, help the lad out and see what he can do.


Exactly NB and as said before we know certain teams will target him which doesn't take much thinking about.

That being the case to counteract it shouldn't take that much thinking about, he needs some support, by putting some real pressure on the kicker and get some of his team mates in the same area of the field.

It's not only Rob most players at most clubs when isolated like this would be under pressure.

It not neccessarily down to abilty either a lot of the times he does clean up well but the dynamics of it make it more favourable to the on rushing attacking players who are moving at speed against the more static defending guy who's trying to get set while watching a spirraling ball with the thunder of boots in his ears.

Who is going to get smashed, the defender.
Who is not going to be able to get off the ground as easily, the defender.
Who is going to get punished more if he knocks on, the defender.
Not very good odds on coming up with an advantage for Rob and Co in that type of play.
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Re: V Sheffield : Sun May 26, 2013 10:49 am  
Does anyone remember the Cowboy series in the 50s and 60s called Rin Tin Tin ?What was the Dog called ?
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Re: V Sheffield : Sun May 26, 2013 10:57 am  
faxcar wrote:
Exactly NB and as said before we know certain teams will target him which doesn't take much thinking about.

That being the case to counteract it shouldn't take that much thinking about, he needs some support, by putting some real pressure on the kicker and get some of his team mates in the same area of the field.

It's not only Rob most players at most clubs when isolated like this would be under pressure.

It not neccessarily down to abilty either a lot of the times he does clean up well but the dynamics of it make it more favourable to the on rushing attacking players who are moving at speed against the more static defending guy who's trying to get set while watching a spirraling ball with the thunder of boots in his ears.

Who is going to get smashed, the defender.
Who is not going to be able to get off the ground as easily, the defender.
Who is going to get punished more if he knocks on, the defender.
Not very good odds on coming up with an advantage for Rob and Co in that type of play.




Slightly off-topic but distantly related, Tubbs has obviously targeted Worrincey since he left Eagles. Now if he'd seen these so called weaknesses in the fella's play would he have signed him in the first place ? Hmmmm...
By comparison, Daryl Powell targeted his last season signing yesterday, Ben Cockayne & with some decent return !
Aren't we all experts sometimes ? But hey, these blokes get paid for doing business their way, now then, are there any ex-Fax players knocking around that rhino can target when we play them :CRAZY:
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Re: V Sheffield : Sun May 26, 2013 12:43 pm  
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Slightly off-topic but distantly related, Tubbs has obviously targeted Worrincey since he left Eagles. Now if he'd seen these so called weaknesses in the fella's play would he have signed him in the first place ? Hmmmm...
By comparison, Daryl Powell targeted his last season signing yesterday, Ben Cockayne & with some decent return !
Aren't we all experts sometimes ? But hey, these blokes get paid for doing business their way, now then, are there any ex-Fax players knocking around that rhino can target when we play them :CRAZY:


Whether or not Tubbs had seen a potential weakness several years ago with Rob or not who knows.

The facts are he did sign him and as you say he thinks he's seen one now and targets him every game.

The Powell / Cockayne analogy proves that coaches will use their knowledge of certain players to gain an advantage from if they get the chance but it did not stop Powell from signing him for Rovers.

I would have thought that would apply to every coach, KH will be no different whether it is an invidual player or a cerain part of the field, you see it all the time.

Whether the player has played for Halifax or not is hardly relevant.

You either work out something to try and reduce it's effect or do nothing.

The forums are here to express an opinion and disguss the game, I don't think I have ever noticed anyone saying "Expert opinion".

These blokes get paid for doing buisness their way and we pay to see the results of it, if we didn't then they would not be here in the first place.

I don't think a few posters saying they would like to see the kicker put under pressure and give the catcher some protection would be too extreme a comment to make when you see what is said sometimes.

Onwards and upwards. :thumb:
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Re: V Sheffield : Sun May 26, 2013 7:38 pm  
A good coach should be aware of a players strengths and weaknesses when he signs him, to stop his weaknesses he has to give him some support. Aston targets Rob but our coach is not giving him the right support.
Make your own judgement.
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Re: V Sheffield : Mon May 27, 2013 8:39 am  
Its an impossible task. Last tackle the defence will be pretty compressed ready to slide with the wingers usually ready for the kick. If you can get a low curving quick kick which Brambani seems to have perfected, it makes it nearly impossible for the centre to get accross to be in any position to protect the winger.
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Re: V Sheffield : Mon May 27, 2013 9:09 am  
If all we can do is leave a three on one against him on the last play Rob may have to be left out against the Eagles whenever Brambani is playing or just hope he doesn't have such a bad game he has to be taken off after 25 mins.
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Re: V Sheffield : Mon May 27, 2013 10:39 am  
faxcar wrote:
If all we can do is leave a three on one against him on the last play Rob may have to be left out against the Eagles whenever Brambani is playing or just hope he doesn't have such a bad game he has to be taken off after 25 mins.


He came back on, though.
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