Re: Big mistake : Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:13 am  

Brew wrote:

Coffee shop would work, if it was branded people would stop and call in, use it for its wifi ect. Costa and Starbucksa re opening everywhere now. I noticed the old little chef at Mirfield is now a Starbucks.

If the figures quoted about council savings are correct. It's very hard for them not to sell. It's a massive drain on the public purse in its current state

Totally agree, remember unlimited free parking, but of course the coffee shop is only a small piece of the jigsaw to utilise the Shay to it's full potential.

Re: Big mistake : Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:14 am  

griff1998 wrote:

Another paranoid !!

It was a positive comment.

Oh, I see what you did. Well, it could be taken either way. Omar Bulls "we're in it together" Kahn has called in his debt which leaves Bradford screwed for the next ten years. So, I did look at the negative connotations in your post mainly because it's you and you're a terrible oik on here so I think I was right with my little bitchy comment

That Sheffield forum is still missing a good contributor like yourself. Go and create on it.

Re: Big mistake : Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:42 am  

triran wrote:

They are stuck in the past. Do they not realise he will be creating loads of new jobs and the Shay would be in use EVERY DAY! not just the 5 a side pitch.

Gym - yes I would probably join.
Nursery - sounds practical. Especially with the issues with Surestart nurseries.
Coffee Shop - not sure how busy this would be.

More conferences to the Shay with more options with rooms <- i know of businesses who enjoy using the Shay.

Comment, in a similar vein, on shaymen.net:

"There already is a cafe down there! The shay cafe and I don't see em queuing out of the door to get in !"

What you have to bear in mind, and the point that this gentleman is missing (or purposely ignoring), is that there will be over 300 people working in the complex who will need to eat, exercise and leave their kids. Pretty handy, I would say and all providing income to the complex. I particularly agree with the 7 days a week usage scenario as that is what is needed to make it a viable and lucrative business. I can also see people using the facilities and being drawn into the football and/or Rugby League culture thus increasing attendances.

Look, I'm born and bred in Halifax and, apart from 2 stints in London and 2 in Amsterdam, have lived here all my life and in all that time one of the things that has always p***ed me off is the town's lack of ambition. Everything done in Halifax is half-hearted and done on the cheap. We must be the only town of our size without a fully covered shopping centre, Woolshops is the best we can do. Even the Broad Street Complex took about 20 years from it's inception to completion and I shudder to think how much the cost went up in that time.

We now have Tony Abbott's vision for the future of the Shay. I must admit I was gobsmacked at his plans as they went much further than I was anticipating but I can see the sense in it as it involves the stadium being financed in the long term by the on-site businesses. Sure, there are risks as in any venture and there are still numerous questions need answering but if the FCHT fans would rather the stadium be sold to a property developer then so be it because I firmly believe that it is now only a matter of time before the council unload the Shay.

One thing I noticed last night was, when it came to "any questions", the football supporters asked at least 3 questions which TA had already answered in some detail which suggested to me that they had sat there eagerly waiting to ask their questions with their minds closed and already made up instead of affording him the courtesy of at least listening to what he had to say.

Re: Big mistake : Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:44 am  

johnny freeman fan club wrote:

There were one or two good questions and heads up to those who asked them as that was what the forum was for but with the best will in the world you are not going to change the views of some people in either camp.Lost it a bit for me when Tony tried to explain how he was going to reduce the rent for both clubs and the question was
" Well how are the Clubs going to buy new players then if you are going to reduce the admission charges" ?
I wondered why I`d bothered going but then they were some good questions after , annoyed me a bit when they tried to go back to how they sold Thrum Hall because it`s not the same at all as we wanted to leave Thrum Hall .It was also good to see around 10 Councilors in the room and a couple of them asking questions too ,they are the ones who have to justify to their electorate the fact that they subsidise the Shay with our money but don`t want to subsidise childrens nurseries.

The question I kept asking myself that Tony refused to answer was where is the money coming from. Now I have that concern my self but that is really none of my business and is down to the parties involved in the sale. It is up to Calderdale council and their people to go through his business plan with a fine tooth comb and make sure it stands up. I have no right to know that but hopefully the people who do will suss it out right.

Re: Big mistake : Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:54 am  

Fax Machine wrote:

Comment, in a similar vein, on shaymen.net:

"There already is a cafe down there! The shay cafe and I don't see em queuing out of the door to get in !"

What you have to bear in mind, and the point that this gentleman is missing (or purposely ignoring), is that there will be over 300 people working in the complex who will need to eat, exercise and leave their kids. Pretty handy, I would say and all providing income to the complex. I particularly agree with the 7 days a week usage scenario as that is what is needed to make it a viable and lucrative business. I can also see people using the facilities and being drawn into the football and/or Rugby League culture thus increasing attendances.

Look, I'm born and bred in Halifax and, apart from 2 stints in London and 2 in Amsterdam, have lived here all my life and in all that time one of the things that has always p***ed me off is the town's lack of ambition. Everything done in Halifax is half-hearted and done on the cheap. We must be the only town of our size without a fully covered shopping centre, Woolshops is the best we can do. Even the Broad Street Complex took about 20 years from it's inception to completion and I shudder to think how much the cost went up in that time.

We now have Tony Abbott's vision for the future of the Shay. I must admit I was gobsmacked at his plans as they went much further than I was anticipating but I can see the sense in it as it involves the stadium being financed in the long term by the on-site businesses. Sure, there are risks as in any venture and there are still numerous questions need answering but if the FCHT fans would rather the stadium be sold to a property developer then so be it because I firmly believe that it is now only a matter of time before the council unload the Shay.

One thing I noticed last night was, when it came to "any questions", the football supporters asked at least 3 questions which TA had already answered in some detail which suggested to me that they had sat there eagerly waiting to ask their questions with their minds closed and already made up instead of affording him the courtesy of at least listening to what he had to say.

I do not wish to be rude, but, in my humble opinion and I stand to be corrected, the majority of posters on that forum have the mental dexterity of a pot of paint and I don't mean Dulux more pound stretchers own brand.

No disrespect intended.

Re: Big mistake : Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:56 am  

johnny freeman fan club wrote:

There were one or two good questions and heads up to those who asked them as that was what the forum was for but with the best will in the world you are not going to change the views of some people in either camp.Lost it a bit for me when Tony tried to explain how he was going to reduce the rent for both clubs and the question was
" Well how are the Clubs going to buy new players then if you are going to reduce the admission charges" ?
I wondered why I`d bothered going but then they were some good questions after , annoyed me a bit when they tried to go back to how they sold Thrum Hall because it`s not the same at all as we wanted to leave Thrum Hall .It was also good to see around 10 Councilors in the room and a couple of them asking questions too ,they are the ones who have to justify to their electorate the fact that they subsidise the Shay with our money but don`t want to subsidise childrens nurseries.

Also, if I remember correctly, the Thrum Hall covenant was made by the original owners of the estate who left it in perpetuity to the Rugby, cricket and bowling clubs stating that it could only be used for sport. I don't know how they got around that to sell it to Asda but it is totally different to a long term lease.

Re: Big mistake : Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:00 am  

halifaxjohn wrote:

I do not wish to be rude, but, in my humble opinion and I stand to be corrected, the majority of posters on that forum have the mental dexterity of a pot of paint and I don't mean Dulux more pound stretchers own brand.

No disrespect intended.

I can't argue with that but I firmly believe that, difficult though it is, we should all maintain our dignity and not be dragged down to their level ( which Aldous Huxley would probably grade as Epsilon Minus ).

[triran]

Re: Big mistake : Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:39 am  

Staff who work at the Shay using the Coffee Shop!! Yes didn't think - oops!

So yes the coffee shop could be a success too!

Re: Big mistake : Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:48 am  

Fax Machine wrote:

Comment, in a similar vein, on shaymen.net:

"There already is a cafe down there! The shay cafe and I don't see em queuing out of the door to get in !"

What you have to bear in mind, and the point that this gentleman is missing (or purposely ignoring), is that there will be over 300 people working in the complex who will need to eat, exercise and leave their kids. Pretty handy, I would say and all providing income to the complex. I particularly agree with the 7 days a week usage scenario as that is what is needed to make it a viable and lucrative business. I can also see people using the facilities and being drawn into the football and/or Rugby League culture thus increasing attendances.

Look, I'm born and bred in Halifax and, apart from 2 stints in London and 2 in Amsterdam, have lived here all my life and in all that time one of the things that has always p***ed me off is the town's lack of ambition. Everything done in Halifax is half-hearted and done on the cheap. We must be the only town of our size without a fully covered shopping centre, Woolshops is the best we can do. Even the Broad Street Complex took about 20 years from it's inception to completion and I shudder to think how much the cost went up in that time.

We now have Tony Abbott's vision for the future of the Shay. I must admit I was gobsmacked at his plans as they went much further than I was anticipating but I can see the sense in it as it involves the stadium being financed in the long term by the on-site businesses. Sure, there are risks as in any venture and there are still numerous questions need answering but if the FCHT fans would rather the stadium be sold to a property developer then so be it because I firmly believe that it is now only a matter of time before the council unload the Shay.

One thing I noticed last night was, when it came to "any questions", the football supporters asked at least 3 questions which TA had already answered in some detail which suggested to me that they had sat there eagerly waiting to ask their questions with their minds closed and already made up instead of affording him the courtesy of at least listening to what he had to say.

You have hit the nail on the head for me Fax Mchine with this post , it was interesting to see that although there was a good turn out from what I could gather they were either rugby or soccer supporters .To me there was no evidence of the rest of the 200,000 other Calderdale residents there, many ,many of them who at the moment pay council tax toward the Shay but are not welcome there .In fact it`s the contrary many times kids have been stopped from useing the place when they have reached finals etc .So no surprise the general public have very little interest in the place except to wonder why they are having cutbacks on amenities that they use whilst they are expected to pay for something the minorty use. Now the minority of that minority want to hang onto something that the council will not carry on paying out for. The Winter is now coming on and soon we will hear the Town lot bleating about postponents due to the Council not doing the pitch right well what will the Council be saying back to them I wonder?

Re: Big mistake : Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:39 pm  

Fax Machine wrote:

I can't argue with that but I firmly believe that, difficult though it is, we should all maintain our dignity and not be dragged down to their level ( which Aldous Huxley would probably grade as Epsilon Minus ).

Which we weren't and won't