Re: Latest on the sale of The Shay : Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:30 pm  

SuperGeoff wrote:

At the meeting TA said he would be able to make money from the Shay from day 1. Can't remember his exact wording but that was the jist of what he said. If that is true then does that not mean that he knows something that nobody else does about making money from the ground?

At the moment there is nobody else, just TA and CMBC and from the two it would seem reasonable to suggest that he knows more about making money.

Not surprising really as he is a Businessman who happens to have the best interests of both clubs to heart and CMBC are of course a council who have to have the best interests of the rest of the population of Calderdale in mind.

One, CMBC sees the Shay as a serious overhead, the other, TA sees it as an oppourtunity that would benefit all currently concerned (the clubs) whilst opening up extra jobs for dozens of other people and developing it.

I don't think he would have publicly said it if he wasn't confident of doing so and with the other proposals clearly set out there must have been a lot of thought on the direction he would be going in.

Again down to choice who would we choose to take it forward.

Re: Latest on the sale of The Shay : Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:52 pm  

Unfortunatly a Council does not think it has to make money at all , what they do is spend ours on what they perceive to be priorities and funding peoples hobby whilst nurseries and schools are having cutbacks does not constitute as a priority.
Quote from a Councilor tonight
"If the Council decide to sell the Shay it will be all tied up with legal clauses so both Clubs are guarenteed to continue to use the Shay .Whoever it is sold to it will include clauses to stop it being sold on for supermarket or similar .The Council have done a good job for the Shay but we can`t afford to finish it"
Well that will do for me ,I will now just sit back and wait for the Councils due diligence and what they decide.

Re: Latest on the sale of The Shay : Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:35 pm  

It is funny that you say that, because over the years the council have had the best interests of both clubs at heart. The people of Halifax might not have massive interest in their clubs, but I'm sure they'd miss them both if thy were gone.

Another thing I firmly believe is that the council member's heads have turned as a result of the World Cup. They have now seen the scope for opportunity and interest at the Shay, which leads to moneymaking potential.

You have to also remember that they Shay is not the only overhead that they have. The Piece Hall, NBLC, the Swimming Baths etc. All are a burden on the council.

Re: Latest on the sale of The Shay : Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:41 pm  

SuperGeoff wrote:

It is funny that you say that, because over the years the council have had the best interests of both clubs at heart. The people of Halifax might not have massive interest in their clubs, but I'm sure they'd miss them both if thy were gone.

Another thing I firmly believe is that the council member's heads have turned as a result of the World Cup. They have now seen the scope for opportunity and interest at the Shay, which leads to moneymaking potential.

You have to also remember that they Shay is not the only overhead that they have. The Piece Hall, NBLC, the Swimming Baths etc. All are a burden on the council.

I wouldn't be too sure of some of those parts of your statement. Brighouse sports centre has 7,000 & Sowerby Bridge 5,000 average users per weeks. NBLC & the Halifax pool users would simply transfer their membership use to one of those other sites. Those figures BTW were quoted to me at the weekend by one of the Sowerby Bridge gym instructors, pretty impressive numbers i'd say, maybe cos the council spent some money on the new facilities eh ?

Re: Latest on the sale of The Shay : Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:36 am  

marillion man wrote:

I wouldn't be too sure of some of those parts of your statement. Brighouse sports centre has 7,000 & Sowerby Bridge 5,000 average users per weeks. NBLC & the Halifax pool users would simply transfer their membership use to one of those other sites. Those figures BTW were quoted to me at the weekend by one of the Sowerby Bridge gym instructors, pretty impressive numbers i'd say, maybe cos the council spent some money on the new facilities eh ?

Not sure what that has to do with what I said, and I also think that a lot less people would visit out of town facilities than you expect.

Re: Latest on the sale of The Shay : Wed Nov 06, 2013 12:21 pm  

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Not sure what that has to do with what I said, and I also think that a lot less people would visit out of town facilities than you expect.

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At the meeting TA said he would be able to make money from the Shay from day 1. Can't remember his exact wording but that was the jist of what he said. If that is true then does that not mean that he knows something that nobody else does about making money from the ground?

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Another thing I firmly believe is that the council member's heads have turned as a result of the World Cup. They have now seen the scope for opportunity and interest at the Shay, which leads to moneymaking potential[/b].

Which is it then Geoff.
TA is the only one to see potential but the councils heads have been turned.
Also.
How can you say there would be less people showing interest in one post and then say the councils heads have been turned due to seeing more interest in another?

Are you contradicting yourself?

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You have to also remember that they Shay is not the only overhead that they have. The Piece Hall, NBLC, the Swimming Baths etc. All are a burden on the council.

That being the case it would be even more prudent to reduce the burden where they can.

Maybe if someone puts a bid in for the Piece Hall or swimming baths they might consider selling them as well.

Would you be as concerned about those places going into TA's hands as you are about the Shay?

Re: Latest on the sale of The Shay : Wed Nov 06, 2013 1:42 pm  

Just dawning on the Town lot that the ACV actually will lower the asking price for the Shay.

A few of them a bit worried that the deal is already done...................Its probably not, I doubt everything is in place, I also doubt all the ACV has done is delay the inevitable by 6months.............

Re: Latest on the sale of The Shay : Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:27 pm  

Greg Florimos Boots wrote:

Just dawning on the Town lot that the ACV actually will lower the asking price for the Shay.

A few of them a bit worried that the deal is already done...................Its probably not, I doubt everything is in place, I also doubt all the ACV has done is delay the inevitable by 6months.............

Good grief it`s taken long enough for that to dawn on them hasn`t it ? I don`t think it`s a done deal either and I think it will probably take longer than 6 months as I thought the 6 months would start once the Shay was proclaimed up for sale (which the council have not stated yet). But surely there is another group in the bidding ,what about the Football Trust their application for the ACV was so it gives them 6 months to come up with the money at the going rate . This is what I cannot understand because they keep telling everybody that the Council are selling it too cheap ,they all must be loaded but fair play for puting their money where their mouth is .

Re: Latest on the sale of The Shay : Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:54 pm  

faxcar wrote:

Which is it then Geoff.
TA is the only one to see potential but the councils heads have been turned.
Also.
How can you say there would be less people showing interest in one post and then say the councils heads have been turned due to seeing more interest in another?

Are you contradicting yourself?

You have to also remember that they Shay is not the only overhead that they have. The Piece Hall, NBLC, the Swimming Baths etc. All are a burden on the council.

That being the case it would be even more prudent to reduce the burden where they can.

Maybe if someone puts a bid in for the Piece Hall or swimming baths they might consider selling them as well.

Would you be as concerned about those places going into TA's hands as you are about the Shay?

The Shay is not an out of town facility?

There is also a scope for profit on the Shay. If TA believes h can get the Shay making a profit from day 1 then so can the council as the opportunity must be there.

Yes, particularly the Piece Hall as it has historical value to the town, just the like Shay.

Re: Latest on the sale of The Shay : Wed Nov 06, 2013 5:02 pm  

I agree that the Piece Hall and the Civic Theatre has historical value to the Town but disagree the Shay has and although I loved Thrum Hall there is no way I would have argued it was valueable to Halifax for historic reasons.