Re: Widnes : Tue Feb 15, 2022 3:42 pm  

Listenup94 wrote: Some more stats courtesy of Widnes https://twitter.com/widnesrl/status/149 ... 04256?s=21 As regards the forwards it’s an ongoing debate , we have been unfortunate with injuries to gee and knowles . There are too many variable unknowns to make complete judgments , one is finances , have we spent close to our budget because of the the rumoured two leagues of ten , we appear to have at least 3 financially healthy sponsors in stage freight , eclipse energy and Deliveree , listening to various sources this is where some extra capital came from for some of the signings however Grix seemed to debunk that theory in his interview with mick gledhill stating the funds had come from better management of funds not independent investments . So how much money we had or have left is an unknown. I think overall Keyes Aston and jouffret are an upgrade on Harris and Robinson but due to injury we won’t see knowles for the rest of the season and gee till April, gwaze has been a good signing . I wonder if Grix new gee was injured when he signed him . If we had been offered Dupree then that is a mistake imo and I’m hoping we draft on an Oliver roberts type player for the double fev matches then the Leigh games . You make some good points there and ask some interesting questions. I do not think will get anyone from huddersfield for the cup game with fev because that will cup tie them but hopefully starting on sunday we might get some reinforcements for the league.

Listenup94 wrote: Some more stats courtesy of Widnes https://twitter.com/widnesrl/status/149 ... 04256?s=21 As regards the forwards it’s an ongoing debate , we have been unfortunate with injuries to gee and knowles . There are too many variable unknowns to make complete judgments , one is finances , have we spent close to our budget because of the the rumoured two leagues of ten , we appear to have at least 3 financially healthy sponsors in stage freight , eclipse energy and Deliveree , listening to various sources this is where some extra capital came from for some of the signings however Grix seemed to debunk that theory in his interview with mick gledhill stating the funds had come from better management of funds not independent investments . So how much money we had or have left is an unknown. I think overall Keyes Aston and jouffret are an upgrade on Harris and Robinson but due to injury we won’t see knowles for the rest of the season and gee till April, gwaze has been a good signing . I wonder if Grix new gee was injured when he signed him . If we had been offered Dupree then that is a mistake imo and I’m hoping we draft on an Oliver roberts type player for the double fev matches then the Leigh games . You make some good points there and ask some interesting questions. I do not think will get anyone from huddersfield for the cup game with fev because that will cup tie them but hopefully starting on sunday we might get some reinforcements for the league.

Re: Widnes : Tue Feb 15, 2022 3:47 pm  

Listenup94 wrote:

Not gonna lie this weather is getting on my nerves 1 game played on Mount Everest and two games played on a ploughed field , watched the Bradford v Leigh game last night played on a nice lush pitch reasonable conditions whilst we look forward to another bogathan at Workington . Someone said on fb wood was out for 12 weeks (apparently came from the horses mouth but make of it what you will as fb not the most reliable source )with a torn bicep but then Grix said he could be available this week so who knows.

I was told on sunday that we could be getting Adam Obrien on dr for workington if true that might prove wood is out for the time being if not i have been told a porkie.

Re: Widnes : Tue Feb 15, 2022 5:03 pm  

Listenup94 wrote:

Not gonna lie this weather is getting on my nerves 1 game played on Mount Everest and two games played on a ploughed field , watched the Bradford v Leigh game last night played on a nice lush pitch reasonable conditions whilst we look forward to another bogathan at Workington . Someone said on fb wood was out for 12 weeks (apparently came from the horses mouth but make of it what you will as fb not the most reliable source )with a torn bicep but then Grix said he could be available this week so who knows.

Haven’t seen the Leigh v Bulls game but here is a quote from some of JK’s after game comments.

“ My concerns are at the relative ease in which Leigh found territory and made yardage simply by carrying the ball aggressively.”

So when watching it, who from the Leigh team was John Kear referring to, was it the pack?

Re: Widnes : Tue Feb 15, 2022 5:19 pm  

faxcar wrote:

Haven’t seen the Leigh v Bulls game but here is a quote from some of JK’s after game comments.

“ My concerns are at the relative ease in which Leigh found territory and made yardage simply by carrying the ball aggressively.”

So when watching it, who from the Leigh team was John Kear referring to, was it the pack?

In the main,their centres a beast too.There's been a lot of bollx flying around this thread about our pack-just to re-iterate a well laboured point.Our pack is badly lacking in any type of weather,as it was on firm tracks in the second half of last season.This seasons finishing place will confirm the inevitable.The only mitigation is the horrendous injury to Knowles and would we have taken Gee on knowing the timescales ? allowing for that and the signing of Gwaze still went nowhere near far enough.

Re: Widnes : Tue Feb 15, 2022 5:25 pm  

faxcar wrote:

Haven’t seen the Leigh v Bulls game but here is a quote from some of JK’s after game comments.

“ My concerns are at the relative ease in which Leigh found territory and made yardage simply by carrying the ball aggressively.”

So when watching it, who from the Leigh team was John Kear referring to, was it the pack?

Yes in the main the pack plus mellor and nene MacDonald is a beast , Bradford we’re quite competitive in the 1st half but made life hard for themselves with ill discipline ( bit like fax) then in the 2nd half blobfords pack started to show signs of too many pies spoiling the undersized t shirts and were obliterated by superior fitness , pace and physicality. Then D foggin johnson decided to clothes line one of their players to compound things . No idea who’s in charge of there fitness but it’s gonna be a long season for them especially with all the injuries they have .

Re: Widnes : Tue Feb 15, 2022 6:25 pm  

Okay thanks to BJ and Listen.
The point of interest for me regarding the Leigh pack playing a big part in making the yards just adds a key area to watch out for when we meet them at the Shay at the end of March.

Regardless of the condition of the pitch can we match them in the middle?

If it’s still heavy will that be a leveller for Leigh or will it show any indication that Big is Better in those type of conditions.

If it’s firmed up will the hoped for Fax mobility factor show any signs of that coming to fruition?

Before then there will be a few other KPI’s to have a look at starting this weekend.

Re: Widnes : Tue Feb 15, 2022 6:33 pm  

In all this pontificating don't forget Widnes' only try came at the end of a set with a blatant forward pass in it.

Re: Widnes : Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:07 pm  

faxcar wrote:

Okay thanks to BJ and Listen.
The point of interest for me regarding the Leigh pack playing a big part in making the yards just adds a key area to watch out for when we meet them at the Shay at the end of March.

Regardless of the condition of the pitch can we match them in the middle?

If it’s still heavy will that be a leveller for Leigh or will it show any indication that Big is Better in those type of conditions.

If it’s firmed up will the hoped for Fax mobility factor show any signs of that coming to fruition?

Before then there will be a few other KPI’s to have a look at starting this weekend.

Very difficult to say as Halifax are to hit any kind of form but on what we see right now I’d say no we can’t match them , 21st of March might see woodburn hall back at a squeak which would help , if we give a good account of ourselves against fev then that would help the confidence . They play York next week which will be an interesting game , see how they go there .

Re: Widnes : Tue Feb 15, 2022 8:07 pm  

Hudd-Shay wrote:

In all this pontificating don't forget Widnes' only try came at the end of a set with a blatant forward pass in it.

Yes. I called it immediately at the game, Eribe Doro made the pass, a little pop up ball move and later in the same set scored the try but after careful consideration I can’t see how focusing on that helps us with the question in hand about the pack.

So to pontificate or not to pontificate is that the question, is that even a question?

Anyway Hudds if you don’t behave I’ll suggest that the solution is DR, DR and more DR.

Re: Widnes : Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:43 pm  

faxcar wrote:

Yes. I called it immediately at the game, Eribe Doro made the pass, a little pop up ball move and later in the same set scored the try but after careful consideration I can’t see how focusing on that helps us with the question in hand about the pack.

So to pontificate or not to pontificate is that the question, is that even a question?

Anyway Hudds if you don’t behave I’ll suggest that the solution is DR, DR and more DR.

Don't start that! It's also interesting to see the penalty count. It's not how many you get sometimes, it's whereabouts on't pitch you get 'em. As you rightly say it doesn't help us with the debate about the pack but remember we lost this game by one point.