Re: carney has spoken : Fri May 13, 2011 1:01 pm  

J20 wrote:

But it is open to corruption

How ?

Re: carney has spoken : Fri May 13, 2011 1:08 pm  

Starbug wrote:

Just as your team have been fantastic for the last 2 seasons , but unfortunatly it means diddly squat as far as SL is concerned , Leigh and Fax are essentially at very similar levels , the one thing that put Widnes above us all is the extra 1,500 fans they have turning up on a match day , until either of us can match that , we aren't going anywhere , and to tell the truth would you really want to ? , remember what happened last time , if you hadn't been regegated in 2003 , how would you have done in 2004 in SL ?

How the hell anyone knows how we would have done if we were still there in 2004, As history shows teams can go from the bottom up the ladder very quickly, Relegated one season, Saved by a team going bust and then turning the corner from that point !! Sound familiar ??.

So if we dont get in, in three years time if we are still in the same situation then it would be us would it not ?. Missed out last time, in the next time ?. I wouldn't worry as i feel its going to be 16 teams in SL next year.

Re: carney has spoken : Fri May 13, 2011 1:16 pm  

Starbug wrote:

How ?

Fiddling numbers / corruption... Same thing!

Re: carney has spoken : Fri May 13, 2011 1:18 pm  

Faxhali wrote:

How the hell anyone knows how we would have done if we were still there in 2004, As history shows teams can go from the bottom up the ladder very quickly, Relegated one season, Saved by a team going bust and then turning the corner from that point !! Sound familiar ??.So if we dont get in, in three years time if we are still in the same situation then it would be us would it not ?. Missed out last time, in the next time ?. I wouldn't worry as i feel its going to be 16 teams in SL next year.

Familiar yes , relevant no , we won 9 out of 20 games in 2009 , our crowds were still within a couple of hundred of all the others apart from Widnes , my point about yourselves was if you hadn't dropped down , you most likely would have continued to struggle in 2004 , franchising only works if you have all strong clubs , any weakness and there is no safety valve to save you

Re: carney has spoken : Fri May 13, 2011 1:19 pm  

J20 wrote:

Fiddling numbers / corruption... Same thing!

And that benifits you in what way ?

Re: carney has spoken : Fri May 13, 2011 1:23 pm  

Starbug wrote:

And that benifits you in what way ?

Reaching the 2,500 figure.

Re: carney has spoken : Fri May 13, 2011 1:29 pm  

Starbug wrote:

Familiar yes , relevant no , we won 9 out of 20 games in 2009 , our crowds were still within a couple of hundred of all the others apart from Widnes , my point about yourselves was if you hadn't dropped down , you most likely would have continued to struggle in 2004 , franchising only works if you have all strong clubs , any weakness and there is no safety valve to save you

unless you are called Quins or Crusaders that is ?

Re: carney has spoken : Fri May 13, 2011 1:30 pm  

J20 wrote:

Reaching the 2,500 figure.

Which we have established isn't enough to even contemplate going into SL with , did it help the Celtic Crusaders when they kept fiddling the attendances ?

So if you do that , all you are doing is ' kidding ' yourself , and then reality bites , the extra 1,500 fans you have are the reason you will be in SL next year , fortunatly you have retained enough core support for long enough to get back in , it has been dropping off as the years go by

Re: carney has spoken : Fri May 13, 2011 1:31 pm  

sanjunien wrote:

unless you are called Quins or Crusaders that is ?

It is a different scenario for them , without the SKY money , they dont exist , simple as

Re: carney has spoken : Fri May 13, 2011 1:36 pm  

Starbug wrote:

Which we have established isn't enough to even contemplate going into SL with , did it help the Celtic Crusaders when they kept fiddling the attendances ?

So if you do that , all you are doing is ' kidding ' yourself , and then reality bites , the extra 1,500 fans you have are the reason you will be in SL next year , fortunatly you have retained enough core support for long enough to get back in , it has been dropping off as the years go by

Damn I wasn't expecting to agree with you on this one. But for a change your spot on with that post