Re: Today's Meeting : Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:51 pm  

faxcar wrote:

Please explain, what do you think the minimum standards will include, to whom will they apply, who is doing the glossing over and what are you basing this on.

The document itself repeatedly mentions "subject to revised minimum standards". Ground capacity will undoubtedly be one. Finance probably another. It's not for me to speculate, really.

Re: Today's Meeting : Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:05 pm  

griff1998 wrote:

The document itself repeatedly mentions "subject to revised minimum standards". Ground capacity will undoubtedly be one. Finance probably another. It's not for me to speculate, really.

It will be interesting to see what they include, as you say you would have thought it would include the ones you have mentioned.
I just have what happened to the last minimum criteria still firmly fixed in mind.

Re: Today's Meeting : Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:10 pm  

I was just pointing out that folk - on here and elsewhere - are saying promotion's automatic, all you have to do is finish on the top three or win the Mid-Table Grand Final.

But it's not. You still have stuff to do off the field.

Re: Today's Meeting : Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:37 pm  

griff1998 wrote:

I was just pointing out that folk - on here and elsewhere - are saying promotion's automatic, all you have to do is finish on the top three or win the Mid-Table Grand Final.

But it's not. You still have stuff to do off the field.

You would have thought the BOD at clubs in the running for promotion will be fully aware of what they have to do both on and off the field.

It would be lunacy to put all their efforts into on the field performance only to realise or be told after the event that their ground wasn't big enough or they didn't have enough toilets or seats etc.

Also the RFL need to be realistic in what is achievable for the clubs as the game stands at the moment when they decide upon the criteria.

Re: Today's Meeting : Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:01 pm  

The whole thing is a joke and complete farce. The concept is short sighted and does nothing to help the clubs and game to improve on and off the field. All teams should be forced to spend X-Amount on Reserve and Academy teams. If they cant afford/wont run them they shouldnt be in SL! Will clubs/SL/RFL actually look to work more together in offering packages for attending games or to help get youngsters watching?
All I can see, is the top 8 looking to eventually gain more power, money and contol and treat the rest of us, even worse than has been the case. The RFL will be as spineless as ever and have no proper control and allow clubs to keep making short term decisions damaging the game. Look how it allowed academy rugby and reserve rugby to be kicked out so clubs can save money and cut corners.
Sorry but I think this is another blow to the game and I dont think it wil benefit Fax or any other championship.

Re: Today's Meeting : Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:08 pm  

Clearly the re-introduction of P&R is good news for all of us who believe this is the way forward. But there is still a lot of "devil in the detail" to understand before I will give the new proposals a positive or negative view. Amongst which are allocations of cash, second team structure, TV rights, minimum standards, financial stability etc.

Notwithstanding this I love the prospect that three years after it all starts we could see a Grand final between Hemel Stags and Gloucester. It will not happen, but at last everyone can dream. That is what sport should be about.

Re: Today's Meeting : Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:22 pm  

griff1998 wrote: Plenty in this thread .... http://www.totalrl.com/forums/index.php ... d-threads/ Pencil, Robin, Terry etc etc. Baffled how you can see this as "keeping a split between Fev and Fax fans". It's got absolutely nothing to do with it. Surprised at you having the chip on the shoulder. Yeah - I read the thread you quoted. Posts by a lot of people starting to think about it. There are a significant number posts from Fev fans (Westwood, Taylor, Andy, etc. etc.) that are negative on there as well - again I don't see how this is celebrating. If you mean there is a lot of general happiness across all clubs in the championship that P&R is returning then I could see that (but not just Fev fans). As for chip on shoulder, why is it that you feel the necessity to have a “pop” at Fev fans by saying "The penny's still not dropped at Fev. They're still celebrating", when there are as many members of other clubs that are bestowing the virtues of P&R in particular and to a lesser extent 2x12 into 3x8 within that same thread and other treads. By posting like this in a way that appears to be an anti-Fev on a Fax forum it would appear that you wish to ride on what you believe is anti-Fev sentiment within this forum (hence my question about “keeping a split between Fev and Fax fans”). I suspect you know if you were to post “The penny's still not dropped in Fax. You’re still celebrating" (and there are a number of happy Fax fans on that same thread which you highlight that are happy that P&R is returning) you would get slated on here about demeaning Fax fans and rightly so. Just makes it look like you’re jealous of Fev (and yes I know you have no need to be). In truth I know you have the Rugby League in your heart and would like to see the whole prosper (and Sheffield in particular), but maybe you should think about some of your posts before pressing the enter key.

griff1998 wrote: Plenty in this thread .... http://www.totalrl.com/forums/index.php ... d-threads/ Pencil, Robin, Terry etc etc. Baffled how you can see this as "keeping a split between Fev and Fax fans". It's got absolutely nothing to do with it. Surprised at you having the chip on the shoulder. Yeah - I read the thread you quoted. Posts by a lot of people starting to think about it. There are a significant number posts from Fev fans (Westwood, Taylor, Andy, etc. etc.) that are negative on there as well - again I don't see how this is celebrating. If you mean there is a lot of general happiness across all clubs in the championship that P&R is returning then I could see that (but not just Fev fans). As for chip on shoulder, why is it that you feel the necessity to have a “pop” at Fev fans by saying "The penny's still not dropped at Fev. They're still celebrating", when there are as many members of other clubs that are bestowing the virtues of P&R in particular and to a lesser extent 2x12 into 3x8 within that same thread and other treads. By posting like this in a way that appears to be an anti-Fev on a Fax forum it would appear that you wish to ride on what you believe is anti-Fev sentiment within this forum (hence my question about “keeping a split between Fev and Fax fans”). I suspect you know if you were to post “The penny's still not dropped in Fax. You’re still celebrating" (and there are a number of happy Fax fans on that same thread which you highlight that are happy that P&R is returning) you would get slated on here about demeaning Fax fans and rightly so. Just makes it look like you’re jealous of Fev (and yes I know you have no need to be). In truth I know you have the Rugby League in your heart and would like to see the whole prosper (and Sheffield in particular), but maybe you should think about some of your posts before pressing the enter key.

Re: Today's Meeting : Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:30 pm  

FevGrinder wrote:

There are a significant number posts from Fev fans (Westwood, Taylor, Andy, etc. etc.) that are negative on there as well - again I don't see how this is celebrating. If you mean there is a lot of general happiness across all clubs in the championship that P&R is returning then I could see that (but not just Fev fans).

As for chip on shoulder, why is it that you feel the necessity to have a “pop” at Fev fans by saying "The penny's still not dropped at Fev. They're still celebrating", when there are as many members of other clubs that are bestowing the virtues of P&R in particular and to a lesser extent 2x12 into 3x8 within that same thread and other treads. By posting like this in a way that appears to be an anti-Fev on a Fax forum it would appear that you wish to ride on what you believe is anti-Fev sentiment within this forum (hence my question about “keeping a split between Fev and Fax fans”).

I suspect you know if you were to post “The penny's still not dropped in Fax. You’re still celebrating" (and there are a number of happy Fax fans on that same thread which you highlight that are happy that P&R is returning) you would get slated on here about demeaning Fax fans and rightly so. Just makes it look like you’re jealous of Fev (and yes I know you have no need to be).

In truth I know you have the Rugby League in your heart and would like to see the whole prosper (and Sheffield in particular), but maybe you should think about some of your posts before pressing the enter key.

If you see it that way, Dave - fine.

I'm just irritated by the widespread celebrations to "a route to $uperleague" which seems to me to be a more difficult one than we had before.

Re: Today's Meeting : Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:31 pm  

faxcar wrote:

You would have thought the BOD at clubs in the running for promotion will be fully aware of what they have to do both on and off the field.

It would be lunacy to put all their efforts into on the field performance only to realise or be told after the event that their ground wasn't big enough or they didn't have enough toilets or seats etc.

Also the RFL need to be realistic in what is achievable for the clubs as the game stands at the moment when they decide upon the criteria.

Money share-out, minimum standards - still to be decided yet. That's the madness of it.

Re: Today's Meeting : Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:33 pm  

griff1998 wrote:

If you see it that way, Dave - fine.

I'm just irritated by the widespread celebrations to "a route to $uperleague" which seems to me to be a more difficult one than we had before.

Except this way the destiny isn't in the hands of KPMG "specialists".