Re: carney has spoken : Fri May 13, 2011 1:37 pm  

J20 wrote:

Damn I wasn't expecting to agree with you on this one. But for a change your spot on with that post

I usually am , but you wouldn't admit it

Re: carney has spoken : Fri May 13, 2011 1:45 pm  

Starbug wrote:

It is a different scenario for them , without the SKY money , they dont exist , simple as

yes,of course

Re: carney has spoken : Fri May 13, 2011 1:47 pm  

Ok Starbug, we get you don't think we have any chance of SL. That's your opinion. It may turn out to be correct, it might not. We shall see in July, one thing is for sure, our BOD don't think it's pointless. I am sure our bid will be as strong if not stronger than some teams in SL. What's to say the RFL will only kick out one team?

Re: carney has spoken : Fri May 13, 2011 1:50 pm  

Starbug wrote:

Familiar yes , relevant no , we won 9 out of 20 games in 2009 , our crowds were still within a couple of hundred of all the others apart from Widnes , my point about yourselves was if you hadn't dropped down , you most likely would have continued to struggle in 2004 , franchising only works if you have all strong clubs , any weakness and there is no safety valve to save you

How the hell do you know what was most likely ?. Again just something plucked from the air, Crusaders were bottom until Nobby got them into the playoff position, all it might have taken is a small change in personnell. I don't know and you certainly dont. It appears very much to me that you like to make your mind up from guessing about things and you dont know how strong other clubs are really do you ?.

Do you have copies of the 16 clubs bids ?. are you party to the decision making ?. The there lies your answer, you are as clueless as the rest of us included Carney. Assumption is the mother of all Feck ups.

Re: carney has spoken : Fri May 13, 2011 1:52 pm  

a.n Other wrote:

Ok Starbug, we get you don't think we have any chance of SL. That's your opinion. It may turn out to be correct, it might not. We shall see in July, one thing is for sure, our BOD don't think it's pointless. I am sure our bid will be as strong if not stronger than some teams in SL. What's to say the RFL will only kick out one team?

Nothing , but its highly unlikely , IMO of course , and yes your bid is stronger than some current SL clubs , then again Swinton could submit a bid stronger than some current SL clubs

Re: carney has spoken : Fri May 13, 2011 2:02 pm  

Faxhali wrote:

How the hell do you know what was most likely ?. Again just something plucked from the air, Crusaders were bottom until Nobby got them into the playoff position, all it might have taken is a small change in personnell. I don't know and you certainly dont. It appears very much to me that you like to make your mind up from guessing about things and you dont know how strong other clubs are really do you ?.

Do you have copies of the 16 clubs bids ?. are you party to the decision making ?. The there lies your answer, you are as clueless as the rest of us included Carney. Assumption is the mother of all Feck ups.

And they lost a fortune , and will continue to do so , yes you are correct things might have changed , and you might have been stronger and survived , like most things on here they are down to opinion , but those opinions are usually backed up by what has already happened , when you came down you lost a huge amount of support , when Cas came down , they didn't , their core support continued , albeit only for one season , and then again through another relegation and promotion

So you either have a large enough supporter base or a very rich benefactor ? , do you have either of these things ? , without one or the other , prefferably both as Widnes have , going back up to SL will not be fun

All the best , work to do

Re: carney has spoken : Fri May 13, 2011 2:10 pm  

Starbug wrote:

And they lost a fortune , and will continue to do so , yes you are correct things might have changed , and you might have been stronger and survived , like most things on here they are down to opinion , but those opinions are usually backed up by what has already happened , when you came down you lost a huge amount of support , when Cas came down , they didn't , their core support continued , albeit only for one season , and then again through another relegation and promotion

So you either have a large enough supporter base or a very rich benefactor ? , do you have either of these things ? , without one or the other , prefferably both as Widnes have , going back up to SL will not be fun

All the best , work to do

difficult to disagree with any of that !

Re: carney has spoken : Fri May 13, 2011 2:11 pm  

Starbug wrote:

And they lost a fortune , and will continue to do so , yes you are correct things might have changed , and you might have been stronger and survived , like most things on here they are down to opinion , but those opinions are usually backed up by what has already happened , when you came down you lost a huge amount of support , when Cas came down , they didn't , their core support continued , albeit only for one season , and then again through another relegation and promotion

So you either have a large enough supporter base or a very rich benefactor ? , do you have either of these things ? , without one or the other , prefferably both as Widnes have , going back up to SL will not be fun

All the best , work to do

Yes you continue to check those bids and let us know when you have figured out the strongest ones and how you come to those conclusions. Trot on.

Re: carney has spoken : Fri May 13, 2011 2:21 pm  

Starbug wrote:

All the best , work to do

Now we know your lying

Re: carney has spoken : Fri May 13, 2011 2:22 pm  

Faxhali wrote:

Yes you continue to check those bids and let us know when you have figured out the strongest ones and how you come to those conclusions. Trot on.

Starbug is quite correct so why the criticism ? Cas maintained their crowds,even averaging over 5K in the relegation year - can't think of too many current Championship teams that would match that,can you ? Fax certainly haven't ! so why should they be treated differently from Leigh or Fev or whoever ?