Re: Toulouse away. : Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:31 pm  

Realistically we was never going to win a game in these middles 8's . We have done incredibly well just to get into top 4 at the expense of Leigh and Fev. We are at least been competitive and not been put to the sword thus far. Would have QLT back because from what I have seen Moss cannot break the line from kick returns, which reliefs pressure. We look a bit light in the HB and rely too much on jonno and Murrell. Fulltime might not be the answer (ask Sheffield).
Marshall is no fool and knows our limitations so we are in good hands with him in charge.

Re: Toulouse away. : Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:31 am  

DNAFax wrote:

i cant and i wont take anything away from the achievement of this year, we've had an incredible season and we are where nobody ever expected us to be.

BUT jesus christ its frustrating watching the team in the 8s so far. i know we're outgunned, part time/full time, budgets blah blah but come on. We were 5 minutes away from being nilled 2 weeks in a row.

We do just seem to be missing that little bit of quality - Toulouse have everything that we don't, flair players across the park. Would i trade all that flair for all of our team spritit - probably not, the way these lads play is brilliant to watch BUT we need a bit of balance. Their 1 - 7 players ooze class. ours ooze grit - which will get you further?

i like moss but a fullback he aint. his distribution is good but he looks like he s***s himself every time he needs to make a decision. I did see that 1 champ team is willing to offer QLT a deal and i just hope that its us. Moss can slip out to the wing for me, no doubting the lad can finish he just isnt the extra pivot that we need to break play.

cant really see a great deal of forwards that would be better than our own bar somone like Canet and maybe a couple others on A LOT of money so they all seem certain for next year.

again i dont want to knock the team but from a progression point of view, we need to add some flair.

Spot on.

Marshall may know our limitations but its going to be pretty much a carbon copy of last season where we struggle to score points compared to the teams around us. He has to be backed with investment so he can go out and try and fix those problems. I think if he isn't then he will probably go elsewhere as he can't wait forever to try and take us to the next level.

Re: Toulouse away. : Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:59 am  

But..if we aren't in a financially good position after making the top four in 3 out of 4 of the last season's where has the money gone? Just on running costs?

Re: Toulouse away. : Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:21 am  

I expect this years windfall to be available for sensible team strengthening next season,which hasn't been the case previously.

Re: Toulouse away. : Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:42 am  

Beaujangles wrote:

I expect this years windfall to be available for sensible team strengthening next season,which hasn't been the case previously.

That's what I am hoping for and how I see it, survival and consolidation over the last couple of years and maybe now a chance to take a responsible step forward especially if the likes of LS28 are still contributing.

One up one down is being heavily touted for 2019, if that happens a danger is that if 3 or 4 clubs go all in for that promotion spot those that miss out and overspend then boom and bust is back.

Same applies for the lower SL clubs who face relegation if 2 or 3 of them are in danger, 1 could overspend and fail to avoid the the drop and others could overspend even though they don't go down.

Re: Toulouse away. : Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:01 am  

If one up one down does return, then the season may be over by May, (bit like this one,T W had it settled by then) then what is there to look forward to?

My thoughts: Top one up automatically, second v third play off to see who plays second bottom S/L , winner into S/L , still gives teams a fighting chance and all to play for.

possible moot point, teams in the middle pack will have dead rubber games, not good for crowd pulling.

Re: Toulouse away. : Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:14 am  

While on subject of money for players i urge anyone to watch the rugby codebreakers documentary available on catch up bbc i player.An excellent view and we are featured including a clip with our club historian.We spent more on players in 1963 than we do now incredibly....

Re: Toulouse away. : Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:15 am  

the fax in asia wrote:

If one up one down does return, then the season may be over by May, (bit like this one,T W had it settled by then) then what is there to look forward to?

My thoughts: Top one up automatically, second v third play off to see who plays second bottom S/L , winner into S/L , still gives teams a fighting chance and all to play for.

possible moot point, teams in the middle pack will have dead rubber games, not good for crowd pulling.

there will always be dead rubber games, the issue is how to cut down on them. I felt you get financially rewarded for where you finish in the league then you remove dead rubbers as you are potentially going to be playing to move up the table in some form (or down as well).

We must have some form of promotion and the one you suggested is probably as good as any, one up one down is notn. Clubs don’t like the jeopardy of P&R unless you are in the lower league, then you don’t like it if you go up. It’s accepted in football that you might get relegated and so it should be in rugby league.

Re: Toulouse away. : Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:48 am  

Norman Bates wrote:

there will always be dead rubber games, the issue is how to cut down on them. I felt you get financially rewarded for where you finish in the league then you remove dead rubbers as you are potentially going to be playing to move up the table in some form (or down as well).

We must have some form of promotion and the one you suggested is probably as good as any, one up one down is notn. Clubs don’t like the jeopardy of P&R unless you are in the lower league, then you don’t like it if you go up. It’s accepted in football that you might get relegated and so it should be in rugby league.

Correct. Top goes up, bottom goes down. 2nd plays 2nd bottom of SL at home, rewarding success, winner to SL. Funding increases for where you finish in't table. Or is that too simple?

Re: Toulouse away. : Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:03 am  

It's very simple and how it should be,so it won't happen...