: Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:49 am  

Disco wrote:

We're onto videos now. Where was Wakey's sketch again? Best get it drawn up sharpish if it takes another 10+ years to build.


Ah yes, of course. In your opinion the only thing that's of any consequence is the only thing which neither of us have. All those other things which Cas' plan has but Wakey's doesn't are simply window dressing, and all that earlier stuff about "you need a feasibility study" and "it's only outline permission" (... "Find where I said that!!!!") is all just bollox now.

I never saw that one coming...

Say what you like, it's all about the money - it really is.

: Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:51 am  

SimonBarrett wrote:

l think Vastmans point is that with funding the rest will follow!!!! Especially in the current economic climate! If any group/company/consortium is prepared to spend £15 Million + (which will mean jobs), then it is very unlikely that planning permission will not be granted or that a feasibility study would not support the project!

Aye, If only you'd had the brass for Thornes Park, eh? After all, the feasibility study was no problem was it?

: Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:52 am  

SimonBarrett wrote:

l think Vastmans point is that with funding the rest will follow!!!! Especially in the current economic climate! If any group/company/consortium is prepared to spend £15 Million + (which will mean jobs), then it is very unlikely that planning permission will not be granted or that a feasibility study would not support the project!

Correct. If you have the money you can make the other things happen. However having the others without the money is fairly pointless.

: Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:53 am  

Disco wrote:

Aye, If only you'd had the brass for Thornes Park, eh? After all, the feasibility study was no problem was it?

But that was the problem!!!!! We didn't have the money!!!! Do you think the feasibility study would not have supported the project if somebody had 60 million they wanted to spend to regenerate the area and create jobs??????

: Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:57 am  

Disco wrote:

Aye, If only you'd had the brass for Thornes Park, eh? After all, the feasibility study was no problem was it?

Correct, the feasibility study was fine - the cost was not hence it was feasible
had WMDC (remember their project not ours) got the money it would have happened. You seem desperate to disprove a very obvious rationale that a shared stadium is looking a very real possibility by continually digging at Wakefield - can't think why as I would suggest that neither club has much control over what happens next

: Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:02 am  

SimonBarrett wrote: But that was the problem!!!!! We didn't have the money!!!! Do you think the feasibility study would not have supported the project if somebody had 60 million they wanted to spend to regenerate the area and create jobs?????? ONLY the money? Hmmm.. what do you think? Leader of Wakefield Council Cllr Peter Box said: "We have carried out extensive consultation and looked long and hard at the feasibility of building a stadium in Thornes Park. We now understand the cost is estimated at around £60m and that Wakefield College cannot vacate the site until 2012. You just can't tell what a feasibility study's going to turn up, which is why they have them. Still, you Wakey fans keep living in your magic stadium dream world if you like (just like you accused us of doing three years ago) - It's no skin off my nose. But ffs don't waste your time coming on here and spinning your crap to us. We've been there, done that. vastman wrote: Correct, the feasibility study was fine - the cost was not hence it was feasible had WMDC (remember their project not ours) got the money it would have happened. Whoops!

SimonBarrett wrote: But that was the problem!!!!! We didn't have the money!!!! Do you think the feasibility study would not have supported the project if somebody had 60 million they wanted to spend to regenerate the area and create jobs?????? ONLY the money? Hmmm.. what do you think? Leader of Wakefield Council Cllr Peter Box said: "We have carried out extensive consultation and looked long and hard at the feasibility of building a stadium in Thornes Park. We now understand the cost is estimated at around £60m and that Wakefield College cannot vacate the site until 2012. You just can't tell what a feasibility study's going to turn up, which is why they have them. Still, you Wakey fans keep living in your magic stadium dream world if you like (just like you accused us of doing three years ago) - It's no skin off my nose. But ffs don't waste your time coming on here and spinning your crap to us. We've been there, done that. vastman wrote: Correct, the feasibility study was fine - the cost was not hence it was feasible had WMDC (remember their project not ours) got the money it would have happened. Whoops!

: Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:44 am  

Disco wrote: ONLY the money? Hmmm.. what do you think? You just can't tell what a feasibility study's going to turn up, which is why they have them. Still, you Wakey fans keep living in your magic stadium dream world if you like (just like you accused us of doing three years ago) - It's no skin off my nose. But ffs don't waste your time coming on here and spinning your crap to us. We've been there, done that. Whoops! OK, let's approach this from a different angle. Pretend it's not me you're talking to, let's drop all club issues and be rational. So, I have no insider info (truth is I no longer do) instead it's just a gut feeling, one of those "you just no what's going to happen moments" - a bit like when we play you What is it this gut feeling Vasty - I don't her you ask Well it's this - WMDC. You see for me this thing will be decided politically and not by the clubs or their supporter. In a nutshell the Stanley development is an absolute WIN WIN for WMDC which in one foul swoop will remove a massive monkey off it's back. It simply gives them everything they need to wash their hands of the whole issue and at the same time come up smelling of roses - they simply can't lose. If Glasshoughton goes ahead along with Stanley they will end up with a community stadium and privately funded stadium within their area. All parties will be happy. However I firmly believe Cas can't fund it and with Stanley available neither will WMDC, but maybe they can in which case fine. If Glasshoughton fails and Stanley goes ahead they WMDC be OK because they will have given Cas the option and if they miss the boat they only have themselves to blame. If Cas join in WE get a new state of the art bigger stadium that due to it's position ie in Wakefield but damn close to Cas they can genuinly say they have helped provide a facility for the whole community. This is something they could not do if they backed Glasshoughton which will always be perceived as the Cas stadium. With the sort of money we are talking and the political situation from a purely rational perspective you just know what's coming next - go on admit it, it's what worries you. TBF I would be worried if I were a Cas fan but only because the stadium is in Wakey though only just, the other way around and I'd be worried - I suppose that's where the Trust bit comes in - it would need to gain the trust of both sets of fans - big ask I know. I'm not saying it's what I want or where I want it, I'm just trying to be realistic and not think like a fan.

Disco wrote: ONLY the money? Hmmm.. what do you think? You just can't tell what a feasibility study's going to turn up, which is why they have them. Still, you Wakey fans keep living in your magic stadium dream world if you like (just like you accused us of doing three years ago) - It's no skin off my nose. But ffs don't waste your time coming on here and spinning your crap to us. We've been there, done that. Whoops! OK, let's approach this from a different angle. Pretend it's not me you're talking to, let's drop all club issues and be rational. So, I have no insider info (truth is I no longer do) instead it's just a gut feeling, one of those "you just no what's going to happen moments" - a bit like when we play you What is it this gut feeling Vasty - I don't her you ask Well it's this - WMDC. You see for me this thing will be decided politically and not by the clubs or their supporter. In a nutshell the Stanley development is an absolute WIN WIN for WMDC which in one foul swoop will remove a massive monkey off it's back. It simply gives them everything they need to wash their hands of the whole issue and at the same time come up smelling of roses - they simply can't lose. If Glasshoughton goes ahead along with Stanley they will end up with a community stadium and privately funded stadium within their area. All parties will be happy. However I firmly believe Cas can't fund it and with Stanley available neither will WMDC, but maybe they can in which case fine. If Glasshoughton fails and Stanley goes ahead they WMDC be OK because they will have given Cas the option and if they miss the boat they only have themselves to blame. If Cas join in WE get a new state of the art bigger stadium that due to it's position ie in Wakefield but damn close to Cas they can genuinly say they have helped provide a facility for the whole community. This is something they could not do if they backed Glasshoughton which will always be perceived as the Cas stadium. With the sort of money we are talking and the political situation from a purely rational perspective you just know what's coming next - go on admit it, it's what worries you. TBF I would be worried if I were a Cas fan but only because the stadium is in Wakey though only just, the other way around and I'd be worried - I suppose that's where the Trust bit comes in - it would need to gain the trust of both sets of fans - big ask I know. I'm not saying it's what I want or where I want it, I'm just trying to be realistic and not think like a fan.

: Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:52 am  

just seen the interview for the first time and like with Chinese whispers everyone hears and perceives things differently .

for me the translation sounded like this.

I wish we would of got our butt in gear sooner as now with the economy the baba has hit the fan , to make matters worse them barstewards down the road are announcing plans to build a stadium right on our f'ing boundary. i wondered why wakey hardly battered an eyelid when the park idea was turned down . we cannot share as both sets of fans are bigots and have many issues although it could work as we do have a jack Fulton's in wakey . TBH i blame brad Davies ever since he muttered those fatal words and sculthorpe's pit bull crapped on the field we always end up making an ass of ourselves and make Wakefield look the better option.

just my interpretation.

: Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:07 pm  

The council will help fund the Cas project. Reasons are tourism. The Exscape and shopping outlet will be big winners. The new tech will also benifit with new sports Centre. Whats stanley got? Now thats me thinking like a buisness man not as a Cas/Wakey fan.

: Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:28 pm  

vastman wrote: OK, let's approach this from a different angle. ...now that your old one's blown out of the water. Okay. vastman wrote: Pretend it's not me you're talking to, let's drop all club issues and be rational. Rational. Okay I'll remember that word. Rational. vastman wrote: So, I have no insider info (truth is I no longer do) instead it's just a gut feeling, one of those "you just no what's going to happen moments" - a bit like when we play you What is it this gut feeling Vasty - I don't her you ask Au contraire, mange-tout. "What is this gut feeling...?" vastman wrote: Well it's this - WMDC. You see for me this thing will be decided politically and not by the clubs or their supporter. Hmm. Well rationally speaking. Cas have already secured planning permission and had it ratified by central Government too. Further (the reports tell us) Cas don't need WMDC money to complete the project, so I'm not too sure - rationally speaking - that Cas need to play with the body politic too much more. But not to worry... do continue: vastman wrote: In a nutshell the Stanley development is an absolute WIN WIN for WMDC which in one foul swoop will remove a massive monkey off it's back. It simply gives them everything they need to wash their hands of the whole issue and at the same time come up smelling of roses - they simply can't lose. By 'monkey' I take it you mean provision of sports/fitness facilities in the city? Hmm, I wonder how pleased people living south of the city centre will be if all they're given is Stanley. vastman wrote: If Glasshoughton goes ahead along with Stanley they will end up with a community stadium and privately funded stadium within their area. All parties will be happy. However I firmly believe Cas can't fund it and with Stanley available neither will WMDC, but maybe they can in which case fine. Will it? If Cas raise their own private funds, isn't it rational to expect there'll be a bit of objection from Cas based tax-payers when WMDC start handing out their money to Wakey? You know, similar to the sort of objections you guys were voicing when the reverse was suggested? vastman wrote: If Glasshoughton fails and Stanley goes ahead they WMDC be OK because they will have given Cas the option and if they miss the boat they only have themselves to blame. If Cas join in WE get a new state of the art bigger stadium that due to it's position ie in Wakefield but damn close to Cas they can genuinly say they have helped provide a facility for the whole community. This is something they could not do if they backed Glasshoughton which will always be perceived as the Cas stadium. You seem to have missed a fourth, equally rational, possible scenario. What happens if Stanley falls on its a*se like Thornes did? vastman wrote: With the sort of money we are talking and the political situation from a purely rational perspective you just know what's coming next - go on admit it, it's what worries you. Sorry mate. I'm not worried in the slightest. I'm supremely confident that Cas won't share a ground with Wakey in Wakey. But even if I'm wrong and they did, there's always Kent Ravens. vastman wrote: TBF I would be worried if I were a Cas fan but only because the stadium is in Wakey though only just, the other way around and I'd be worried - I suppose that's where the Trust bit comes in - it would need to gain the trust of both sets of fans - big ask I know. I'm not saying it's what I want or where I want it, I'm just trying to be realistic and not think like a fan. Responded above. Nothing further necessary. At this point, I think it might be prudent to wait and see what this week brings. I hear that Richard Wright may have something more to add to the stadium debate in the not too distant future. I don't know any more than you what that something is, but if you're bored I'm happy to speculate for a laugh.

vastman wrote: OK, let's approach this from a different angle. ...now that your old one's blown out of the water. Okay. vastman wrote: Pretend it's not me you're talking to, let's drop all club issues and be rational. Rational. Okay I'll remember that word. Rational. vastman wrote: So, I have no insider info (truth is I no longer do) instead it's just a gut feeling, one of those "you just no what's going to happen moments" - a bit like when we play you What is it this gut feeling Vasty - I don't her you ask Au contraire, mange-tout. "What is this gut feeling...?" vastman wrote: Well it's this - WMDC. You see for me this thing will be decided politically and not by the clubs or their supporter. Hmm. Well rationally speaking. Cas have already secured planning permission and had it ratified by central Government too. Further (the reports tell us) Cas don't need WMDC money to complete the project, so I'm not too sure - rationally speaking - that Cas need to play with the body politic too much more. But not to worry... do continue: vastman wrote: In a nutshell the Stanley development is an absolute WIN WIN for WMDC which in one foul swoop will remove a massive monkey off it's back. It simply gives them everything they need to wash their hands of the whole issue and at the same time come up smelling of roses - they simply can't lose. By 'monkey' I take it you mean provision of sports/fitness facilities in the city? Hmm, I wonder how pleased people living south of the city centre will be if all they're given is Stanley. vastman wrote: If Glasshoughton goes ahead along with Stanley they will end up with a community stadium and privately funded stadium within their area. All parties will be happy. However I firmly believe Cas can't fund it and with Stanley available neither will WMDC, but maybe they can in which case fine. Will it? If Cas raise their own private funds, isn't it rational to expect there'll be a bit of objection from Cas based tax-payers when WMDC start handing out their money to Wakey? You know, similar to the sort of objections you guys were voicing when the reverse was suggested? vastman wrote: If Glasshoughton fails and Stanley goes ahead they WMDC be OK because they will have given Cas the option and if they miss the boat they only have themselves to blame. If Cas join in WE get a new state of the art bigger stadium that due to it's position ie in Wakefield but damn close to Cas they can genuinly say they have helped provide a facility for the whole community. This is something they could not do if they backed Glasshoughton which will always be perceived as the Cas stadium. You seem to have missed a fourth, equally rational, possible scenario. What happens if Stanley falls on its a*se like Thornes did? vastman wrote: With the sort of money we are talking and the political situation from a purely rational perspective you just know what's coming next - go on admit it, it's what worries you. Sorry mate. I'm not worried in the slightest. I'm supremely confident that Cas won't share a ground with Wakey in Wakey. But even if I'm wrong and they did, there's always Kent Ravens. vastman wrote: TBF I would be worried if I were a Cas fan but only because the stadium is in Wakey though only just, the other way around and I'd be worried - I suppose that's where the Trust bit comes in - it would need to gain the trust of both sets of fans - big ask I know. I'm not saying it's what I want or where I want it, I'm just trying to be realistic and not think like a fan. Responded above. Nothing further necessary. At this point, I think it might be prudent to wait and see what this week brings. I hear that Richard Wright may have something more to add to the stadium debate in the not too distant future. I don't know any more than you what that something is, but if you're bored I'm happy to speculate for a laugh.