[Jimmythecuckoo]

Re: Denny Solomona speculation & implications : Tue Nov 29, 2016 8:31 am  

tigersteve wrote:

I wouldn't believe everything you read, he signed a new contract last year, my guess would be he will be on a fair bit more than that now.

Fair enough.

Would have been a fantastic bit of business by Cas if true.

Re: Denny Solomona speculation & implications : Tue Nov 29, 2016 8:46 am  

I wonder what Phil Clarke's view on all this?. If his brother,Solomona & Sale are successful in all this get ready for more "retirements" of young, talented players in S.L.

R.U clubs will have a hit list drawn up already mark my words.

Re: Denny Solomona speculation & implications : Tue Nov 29, 2016 9:26 am  

duke street 10 wrote:

I wonder what Phil Clarke's view on all this?. If his brother,Solomona & Sale are successful in all this get ready for more "retirements" of young, talented players in S.L.

R.U clubs will have a hit list drawn up already mark my words.

So would I. He's never afraid to express an opinion. The actions of his brother could have serious long term consequences for the quality of the sport he commentates on.

[Jimmythecuckoo]

Re: Denny Solomona speculation & implications : Tue Nov 29, 2016 9:42 am  

I agree. They can throw money at all manner of players without the cost of a transfer and if it doesn't work out let them retire back from Union into League.

We wouldn't be able to ban them from our sport as we need all the stars we can get.

What other sport would tolerate Willie Mason for example?

We need names to try and sell the game.

Long term I can see the RFU having a plan to absorb the RFL and place us as a similar offshoot of their game such as 7s.

Re: Denny Solomona speculation & implications : Tue Nov 29, 2016 9:49 am  

Jimmythecuckoo wrote:

I agree. They can throw money at all manner of players without the cost of a transfer and if it doesn't work out let them retire back from Union into League.

We wouldn't be able to ban them from our sport as we need all the stars we can get.

What other sport would tolerate Willie Mason for example?

We need names to try and sell the game.

Long term I can see the RFU having a plan to absorb the RFL and place us as a similar offshoot of their game such as 7s.

Balls to that. Solomona should be banned from RL for at least the remaining years on his Cas contract. And we don't need "names" to sell the game, if we do then what the hell are the RFL doing?

Re: Denny Solomona speculation & implications : Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:08 am  

nottinghamtiger wrote:

I would imagine it will be guided by:
The value of the three offers Castleford received and rejected.

Following this conversation a few days a go, I have been spending my spare time reading up on the legal premise of receiving offers leading to value. Whilst I have learnt a lot about trademark law I haven't really seen anything I can relate yet.

That being said, the fundamental premise will be, have Castleford lost out on that transfer fee directly because of Solomona's actions? If Castleford had rejected the offers before Solomona became subject to disciplinary proceedings (and that is an assumption on my behalf), then it is conjecture that Castleford would receive further offers of equal/ higher value. It would be up to Castleford to prove that another club were planning to bid when Solomona took his leave (I wouldn't assume they would have to prove value, as its an easy jump of logic that a club knowing Castleford had rejected X that they would have to offer at least X as well). If they cannot prove that, then I cannot see how Castleford can include this as part of their damages.

Re: Denny Solomona speculation & implications : Tue Nov 29, 2016 12:35 pm  

Any truth in the rumour Phil Clarke owes a percentage of his brothers agency?. If true way to go Phil...assisting in asset stripping the sport that you claim to love and commentate on!

Greedy lover....if there are any more "retirements", A warm welcome awaits you next season at R.L grounds I think!

Re: Denny Solomona speculation & implications : Tue Nov 29, 2016 12:41 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

Following this conversation a few days a go, I have been spending my spare time reading up on the legal premise of receiving offers leading to value. Whilst I have learnt a lot about trademark law I haven't really seen anything I can relate yet.

That being said, the fundamental premise will be, have Castleford lost out on that transfer fee directly because of Solomona's actions? If Castleford had rejected the offers before Solomona became subject to disciplinary proceedings (and that is an assumption on my behalf), then it is conjecture that Castleford would receive further offers of equal/ higher value. It would be up to Castleford to prove that another club were planning to bid when Solomona took his leave (I wouldn't assume they would have to prove value, as its an easy jump of logic that a club knowing Castleford had rejected X that they would have to offer at least X as well). If they cannot prove that, then I cannot see how Castleford can include this as part of their damages.

The fundamental premises will be has Solomona breached his contract, have Cas lost out because of that breach, did Sale induce Solomona to breach that contract.

If Solomona did breach the contract then Cas's losses aren't just a transfer fee (I don't think Sale will be comforted by the precedent for cross code transfer fees. They are relatively high) but merchandising, prize money, etc etc.

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: Denny Solomona speculation & implications : Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:33 pm  

Just for debate, is he all that good?


I know he's an excellent finisher, under our current ruleset of the corner post now not being touch in goal, but i can't really say i've been bowled over with his other contribution further up the field/the rest of his game a la hall or mcgillveray.

I only ask this as since the corner post was taken out of the equasion and the amount of acrobatic tries have been scored, sky have waxed lyrical about winger being the best thing since sliced bread, Penny, Ormsby, dixon makinson and Denny have all been heralded for it.

Is his ability to score like this going to translate to yawnion? is it the cased that he's vexed on his chips that are on his burnt bridge?

Re: Denny Solomona speculation & implications : Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:46 pm  

Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote:

Just for debate, is he all that good?


I know he's an excellent finisher, under our current ruleset of the corner post now not being touch in goal, but i can't really say i've been bowled over with his other contribution further up the field/the rest of his game a la hall or mcgillveray.

I only ask this as since the corner post was taken out of the equasion and the amount of acrobatic tries have been scored, sky have waxed lyrical about winger being the best thing since sliced bread, Penny, Ormsby, dixon makinson and Denny have all been heralded for it.

Is his ability to score like this going to translate to yawnion? is it the cased that he's vexed on his chips that are on his burnt bridge?

I do think a lot of his tries were the product of good service from Gale and Dorn - you have to remember that for 3/4 of the season we didn't have a right-sided halfback and as a result all of our play went down Solomona's side. The wingers on that side regularly scored 2 or three tries whenever Solomona wa injured - and the other centre/wing didn't get much attention at all (Think Crooks scored 2 tries all season, etc)

However some of the finishes were pure class - it's very easy to say that his record is due to the good service, but some of his stuff was pure talent. Not sure if that'll transfer over to union, but I guess we'll see. But to be honest, I'm more upset about losing Luke Dorn than I am about Solomona.