Re: Denny Solomona speculation & implications : Fri Dec 09, 2016 12:16 am  

nottinghamtiger wrote:

The RFU are essentially claiming there is no need for RU clubs to pay transfer fees to clubs from other sports, regardless of the country they are moving from/to.
Burgess was only given permission to try his hand at RU because Bath paid Souths £270k. He wasn't allowed just to walk off into the sunset.
Likewise, Toulon paid a significant sum for Williams (eventually).
Therefore, the precedent of RU clubs paying transfer fees to RL clubs for players under contract is set.

Where do they claim that? We know players have moved from RL to RU before and got fees.
Anyway I was just pointing out, none of the others went about it the same way as Solomona has. By announcing a silly retirement from RL just to push his move to RU. His case is slightly different, hence why it's going to Court.
Like I said the SBW case is very close to the Solomona one and hopefully it end's in a similar outcome. I'd have to look into it more but I don't remember the French RU getting involved in that case , I thought it was between SBW, Bulldogs and Toulon.

Re: Denny Solomona speculation & implications : Fri Dec 09, 2016 3:51 am  

Trying to get my head around all this !

Question

If anyone can answer this

If I am contracted to a club for 2 or 3 years and I fall out of love with the game (eg Rangi Chase) will I be allowed to just walk away?

Yes or No

(I am aware of the registration to play RL) and the club can keep hold of it for the period of the original contract.

Does that then stop me from playing any other sport (for a wage)?

Yes or No

This is a minefield and god help the people who have to sort it all out

I was listening to Rugby Union Extra on G.M. Radio for an hour and they were struggling with an answer.

Re: Denny Solomona speculation & implications : Fri Dec 09, 2016 8:07 am  

Starting to think Rugby League in the UK will only exist as an amateur sport in 10 years time, we are being dwarfed in resources by Union and the NRL (which only cares about itself) we're tied to the same relatively low TV deal for years, with little other funding streams and a governing body that can't even promote our few big events properly.

Re: Denny Solomona speculation & implications : Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:06 am  

UllFC wrote:

Starting to think Rugby League in the UK will only exist as an amateur sport in 10 years time, we are being dwarfed in resources by Union and the NRL (which only cares about itself) we're tied to the same relatively low TV deal for years, with little other funding streams and a governing body that can't even promote our few big events properly.

Super League is dying, long live Canadia!

Re: Denny Solomona speculation & implications : Fri Dec 09, 2016 1:10 pm  

shinymcshine wrote:

Both Kolpak and Bosman are eponymous for the rulings that significantly changed how sport players were "administered", after going through significant legal process.

Do you think that a "Solomona" will become another ground-breaking term in sporting history, or will be become known simply as "doing a Denny"?

I like the term "doing a Denny" but how about this one:-

"so-long-am-a-gona".

Re: Denny Solomona speculation & implications : Fri Dec 09, 2016 8:17 pm  

Zulu01 wrote:

Trying to get my head around all this !

Question

If anyone can answer this

If I am contracted to a club for 2 or 3 years and I fall out of love with the game (eg Rangi Chase) will I be allowed to just walk away?

Yes or No

(I am aware of the registration to play RL) and the club can keep hold of it for the period of the original contract.

Does that then stop me from playing any other sport (for a wage)?

Yes or No

This is a minefield and god help the people who have to sort it all out

I was listening to Rugby Union Extra on G.M. Radio for an hour and they were struggling with an answer.

You can walk away at any point.
If the club keeps hold of your registration that would prevent you from playing for any other RL team.
You could play for any other team in any other sport. The RL registrations are only binding to RL clubs.
However if you walked away without the permission of your club you would then be in breach of your contract with them. They could not pay you and you could be liable for any costs associated with that breach e.g. A transfer fee, loss of profile/marketing etc at that club.

In addition to that if another club or organisation actively encouraged/helped you to breach your contract, they could also be held liable for those costs. E.g. Sale

Re: Denny Solomona speculation & implications : Fri Dec 09, 2016 8:35 pm  

RL needs to start putting in their contracts that if a league player signs for a union team a fee will be applicable.

Re: Denny Solomona speculation & implications : Fri Dec 09, 2016 8:38 pm  

Him wrote:

You can walk away at any point.
If the club keeps hold of your registration that would prevent you from playing for any other RL team.
You could play for any other team in any other sport. The RL registrations are only binding to RL clubs.
However if you walked away without the permission of your club you would then be in breach of your contract with them. They could not pay you and you could be liable for any costs associated with that breach e.g. A transfer fee, loss of profile/marketing etc at that club.

In addition to that if another club or organisation actively encouraged/helped you to breach your contract, they could also be held liable for those costs. E.g. Sale

Thanx very much for taking the time to reply, it has shed more light on this for me.

As previously stated, this is a massive minefield, if the ruling goes the wrong way for RL it could be devastating.

Intresting times ahead

Thanx again

Re: Denny Solomona speculation & implications : Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:58 pm  

I'd be massively surprised if the ruling didn't go for Cas and RL, although you never know. With what happened with SBW and just from a common sense and the protection of a sport in GB point of view. You just can't retire from one form of Rugby to play another , just to get around your contract.

Re: Denny Solomona speculation & implications : Fri Dec 09, 2016 11:25 pm  

Shifty Cat wrote:

I'd be massively surprised if the ruling didn't go for Cas and RL, although you never know. With what happened with SBW and just from a common sense and the protection of a sport in GB point of view. You just can't retire from one form of Rugby to play another , just to get around your contract.

The Establishment v Rugby League, it already sounds iffy.
Those nice Union boys with their old school ties, we haven't got a prayer.

Some may say that we have a chip on our shoulders but, it didn't get there by itself !