Re: Denny Solomona speculation & implications : Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:39 pm  

Whilst Solomona can 'retire' from RL, he can't just walk away from his contract with Cas. It will undoubtedly have restrictions on activities he can pursue whilst under contract to Cas - all pro sports contracts have such clauses.

That doesn't mean he wouldn't win a restriction of employment case in court, but he as an individual won't be able to just walk away without having to at least to a tribunal if Cas want it. Courts have shown previously (see Iestyn Harris) that they do treat sporting contracts differently from standard employment contracts - i.e. they do take some account of the way pro sports work.

In any event, assuming he leaves he should be barred from RL in general until at least the end of his Cas contract, unless Cas reach an agreement.

Re: Denny Solomona speculation & implications : Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:46 pm  

Towns88 wrote:

Adios. the show will very much continue without Denny. Cheers for the 2 years. But we have lost fantastic individuals before and still continued to grow as a team. More so then ever I am confident that this will happen again, very excited for 2017.

So you should be.

It must be a good feeling thinking your team could actually achieve something in the year ahead.

Alas, I've never experienced that, well maybe in the late seventies, I digress.

I too think Cas have got a decent chance next season, unless they have another injury year from hell, oh, & the Zac effect, it will either be a master signing or a calamity.

Re: Denny Solomona speculation & implications : Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:54 pm  

Dettoriman wrote:

The situation is...(SNIP)

Great post - very incisive.

Re: Denny Solomona speculation & implications : Wed Nov 09, 2016 12:38 am  

Could form a very interesting & potentially quite bitter case should Cas &/or the RFL pursue it.

It could be argued that RL & RU are inextricably linked & that the differences between codes are minor & therefore he is not retiring, moreover that Sale are avoiding a transfer fee/proper compensation by surreptitious means.

Of course this is fraught with financial risks & Cas would be wise to try to mediate with Sale for the original transfer fee offered & possibly use the threat of legal action to achieve it.

I do not claim to have any legal knowledge, training or inside info but these look like plausible courses of action IMPOV.

Re: Denny Solomona speculation & implications : Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:32 am  

I would have thought as a minimum Denny would have to buy out the remainder of his contract. I'm not an expert in employment law however I know that my job has a 12 week notice period. If I decided to walk out tomorrow my employers can sue me for the value of 12 weeks wages. I'd assume that is similar to his contract. I believe he had 2 years left so to buy it out would cost 2 years wages with Cas holding his RL registration for the next 2 years.

Re: Denny Solomona speculation & implications : Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:45 am  

bentleberry wrote:

So is retiring from a championship club and signing for a SL club a couple of months later. Perhaps Rangi Chase should be part of your ban too?

When Rangi decided he wanted to come back, Leigh released his registration (which they had held when he retired). Derek Beaumont released a statement wishing Rangi the best for the future....completely different situation to this.

Im fairly certain he cannot just retire from RL to go to RU for free, i think if Sale and Cas cant agree on a fee and DS does refuse to come back to Cas..then it would probably go to the court of arbitration for sport.

Either way, i hope it gets resolved soon, it doesnt paint anyone involved in a good light.

Re: Denny Solomona speculation & implications : Wed Nov 09, 2016 12:45 pm  

tigersteve wrote:

When Rangi decided he wanted to come back, Leigh released his registration (which they had held when he retired). Derek Beaumont released a statement wishing Rangi the best for the future....completely different situation to this.

Im fairly certain he cannot just retire from RL to go to RU for free, i think if Sale and Cas cant agree on a fee and DS does refuse to come back to Cas..then it would probably go to the court of arbitration for sport.

Either way, i hope it gets resolved soon, it doesnt paint anyone involved in a good light.

The only difference is the kind nature of Derek Beaumont, if Gill decides to release Solomon's registration then it would be almost exactly the same situation

Re: Denny Solomona speculation & implications : Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:41 pm  

jimlav wrote:

Love it how all the Cas fans are coming out of the woodwork to say how this is the worst thing to happen to rugby league, whilst forgetting all the other players from other clubs who have walked out.

Also all the players from other clubs who have moved to union/nrl for nothing/next to nothing. As a whole they defend the salary cap to the hill. You reap what you sow.

Lawyers now involved. Would love to see a legal case involving players, challenging the right for owners of rugby clubs to discuss and vote on the suppression of wages in the industry. Cannot see how it is legal for owners to collude in this way to keep wages low, any other industry in which all the bosses got together and agreed to not raise the wages for ~20 years (not even in line with inflation) would be found to be illegal.

Happens all the time in the public sector. The government (effectively) decides the salary level of every public sector employee. Many have been frozen for years.

Re: Denny Solomona speculation & implications : Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:43 pm  

Trainman wrote:

I would have thought as a minimum Denny would have to buy out the remainder of his contract. I'm not an expert in employment law however I know that my job has a 12 week notice period. If I decided to walk out tomorrow my employers can sue me for the value of 12 weeks wages. I'd assume that is similar to his contract. I believe he had 2 years left so to buy it out would cost 2 years wages with Cas holding his RL registration for the next 2 years.

Yep. He can't just walk away from his contract without Cas agreeing.

Re: Denny Solomona speculation & implications : Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:51 pm  

bentleberry wrote:

The only difference is the kind nature of Derek Beaumont, if Gill decides to release Solomon's registration then it would be almost exactly the same situation

Solomona had 2 years left to run on his contract. Cas Tigers have had 3 offers (all rejected) and have said he is not for sale. Why would Gill decide to release his registration ? There is no comparison whatsoever in the two cases.