Re: Denny Solomona speculation & implications : Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:41 pm  

Just to add to the above. If such a clause, as is customary with most professional sports contracts, is in Solomona's contract, and Sale did not obtain permission (which based off of Castlefords statement of 'we don't know what has been going on for 3 weeks, seem pretty obvious) then Sale are complicit in this. Sale would have needed to confirm with Castleford that they accept any costs incurred from an injury, and Cas would have had to agree.

For those Sale fans saying they do not see what we have done wrong, this would be exactly what they have done wrong.

And yes, I am the Sale fan on that board who pointed out what the club has done wrong, and all my fellow Sale fans seem to disagree.

Re: Denny Solomona speculation & implications : Wed Dec 14, 2016 4:20 pm  

Isn't the stance that by "retiring" then the contract would be nullified?

You'd need to check what the T&Cs were in the contract which covered the players retirement criteria / exit clause, and whether these could be triggered unilaterally.

Re: Denny Solomona speculation & implications : Wed Dec 14, 2016 4:31 pm  

The case of Leeds Rhinos, Bradford Bulls and Harris provides some useful pointers, shame it never ended up with an actual decision at the sharp end, but still.

It ended up the Bulls agreeing to pay a large sum of money once they (seemingly) accepted that their view Harris was a free agent was not sustainable. I don't see on what I've read how Sale could possibly have thought for a minute that Saleomona was a free agent.

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: Denny Solomona speculation & implications : Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:20 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

The case of Leeds Rhinos, Bradford Bulls and Harris provides some useful pointers, shame it never ended up with an actual decision at the sharp end, but still.

It ended up the Bulls agreeing to pay a large sum of money once they (seemingly) accepted that their view Harris was a free agent was not sustainable. I don't see on what I've read how Sale could possibly have thought for a minute that Saleomona was a free agent.

One of them innit, ask for forgiveness after the event rather than permission before hand.

Re: Denny Solomona speculation & implications : Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:35 am  

Not at all like the Harris saga as that was within the same sport. The RFL could place whatever sanctions they wished on solomona, his agent, Sale and his dog- but the RFU or Sale don't have to pay diddly squat attention to it. IF Sale have done nothing wrong within law then they its tough luck regardless of how morally low it is!

Re: Denny Solomona speculation & implications : Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:30 am  

Working with several Sale fans, we have yet to agree what Solomona is bringing to them at, what has to be, a huge cost. He's RL winger: Charnley in today's MEN referred to having to learn very different skills (including the eye-opening statement "... playing Rugby League you've got to make more than 15 carries. You have to make more than 100 metres. It's hard going from a game where you're touching the ball 15 times to having the ball 3 times and making it 10 metres.")
I feel Solomona will find it the same. But the lure of money is hard to avoid and many have done far worse for money. As for Sale, my impression is they are finding it difficult at the new stadium (like us). So getting such a skilled and high profilled (for RL) player would be a worthwhile gamble.

Re: Denny Solomona speculation & implications : Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:57 am  

jools wrote:

Not at all like the Harris saga as that was within the same sport. The RFL could place whatever sanctions they wished on solomona, his agent, Sale and his dog- but the RFU or Sale don't have to pay diddly squat attention to it. IF Sale have done nothing wrong within law then they its tough luck regardless of how morally low it is!

And to add to that, the moment Solomona goes out on the pitch and plays for Sale then he will become protected by the RFU establishment.
The RFU will not risk any explosive bad PR and I should imagine they will have legalities in place to stomp over the RFL, my guess is that there will be some compensation and the RFL will huff and puff another day.

Re: Denny Solomona speculation & implications : Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:01 pm  

I let the Sale main sponsors know(politely)my disappointment at the sort of actions they are being associated with by sponsoring a club which acts in such a despicable way. I said that I was sure that they would disapprove and might want to withdraw sponsorship or put pressure on the club to behave in a more decent manner to avoid further tarnishing the company's reputation. If anyone else would care to do the same it cannot do any harm (as long as we are polite). Here is the link: https://chat.ukfast.co.uk/newchat/chat. ... fast.co.uk

I let the Sale main sponsors know(politely)my disappointment at the sort of actions they are being associated with by sponsoring a club which acts in such a despicable way. I said that I was sure that they would disapprove and might want to withdraw sponsorship or put pressure on the club to behave in a more decent manner to avoid further tarnishing the company's reputation. If anyone else would care to do the same it cannot do any harm (as long as we are polite). Here is the link: https://chat.ukfast.co.uk/newchat/chat. ... fast.co.uk

Re: Denny Solomona speculation & implications : Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:44 pm  

I am working at a law firm at the moment and had a conversation with the sports team about this.

Funny enough the solicitor i spoke with played union for London Irish. He doesn't know the full details but he said he would be shocked if a judge accepted the argument that solomona has retired to take up a new sport.

Re: Denny Solomona speculation & implications : Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:45 pm  

It's a lot more straight forward than some people are making it.

Solomona had a contract with Cas. He can't just decide he doesn't want it anymore. Nobody can retire from their job or from a contract just when they want to without the agreement of their employer.
Sale knew he had a contract with Cas as they made an offer for him. If they had any contact with Solomona before his "retirement" then they can be done for inducing him to break his contract.

Either way they owe Cas some money.