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Re: Problem players : Wed Jun 19, 2024 1:17 pm  
Cams no Dave Heron that’s for sure, he does need to adapt to being more about yardage than as a ball player.
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Re: Problem players : Wed Jun 19, 2024 1:24 pm  
Dave Heron could literally have run rings around Cameron. He would have made a great stand off if he'd moved their earlier in his career. Except for kicking, which I don't remember him doing?
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Re: Problem players : Wed Jun 19, 2024 1:25 pm  
I think people are being a bit harsh on Cam, he's an excellent ball playing 13 playing in a poor side
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Re: Problem players : Wed Jun 19, 2024 1:35 pm  
christopher wrote:
C Smith is also maybe doing too much defending, he’s top of the tackle charts.

Which will be partly due to the style we play


Yes, but he's always been one of our top tacklers.
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Re: Problem players : Wed Jun 19, 2024 2:35 pm  
Holroyd's quickly becoming a waste of time, farcical record of availability
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Re: Problem players : Wed Jun 19, 2024 11:54 pm  
Holroyd's a prime example of why you need a big rotation of genuine props. Until last year he'd barely played more than a handful of games a year. There had been rumours of him being unhappy with Rohan as well?

Just on Cam Smith. He can be a 'good' ball handler when he's second or third receiver. He's utterly terrible when he tries to make plays happen. When he's out of form, which he is, he needs to just focus on banging the ball in. That's what the team needs, not someone who kills momentum. We had similar issues with Sutcliffe at stand off. Some players just cannot handle that role.
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Re: Problem players : Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:07 am  
I am torn on Cam Smith. I think there is a good player in there who is just out of form. At this time I would just put him into the bench rotation and bring Corey on after 30 mins and move JOC to 13 for a spell. My bigger problem is that I’ve seen nothing on the field that makes me think he is a captain.
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Re: Problem players : Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:14 am  
Is there any natural captain in the squad? Croft doesn't seem to have much of a voice on the field. You can see why being chief playmaker didn't work for him at the Broncos. Frawley would seem to check the right boxes for captain except there's not much evidence he can actually play to any standard.
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Re: Problem players : Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:46 am  
christopher wrote:
I think people are being a bit harsh on Cam, he's an excellent ball playing 13 playing in a poor side


I think he could be a good one but often he is a ball playing loose forward who doesn’t actually pass the ball, which makes him a second rate prop at the moment.

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On last year but he is one of many who needs some strong coaching.
On Saturday I recall Hull props getting at least 3 offloads away when him and Holroyd were jointly involved in the tackle.
As for TH I thought he would really make it when he was young but he was miles off on Saturday and I think he is in the last chance saloon with a new coach
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Re: Problem players : Thu Jun 20, 2024 10:21 am  
Once were Loiners wrote:
Is there any natural captain in the squad? Croft doesn't seem to have much of a voice on the field. You can see why being chief playmaker didn't work for him at the Broncos. Frawley would seem to check the right boxes for captain except there's not much evidence he can actually play to any standard.


This is a pretty significant issue within the club as a whole, in my view. RS was a 'hands off' coach in terms of managing what was actually happening on the pitch. That would be less of an issue if you had the likes of JP, Sinfield and Mags on the pitch taking charge of things themselves.

Passive coaching and passive players with no one standing up and marshalling them has made us look and play like wet cardboard cut outs.

I don't really think there is anyone obvious in the squad who could be captain (they are a bad bunch), but Rhys Martin (of them) is one - he plays most weeks, has responsibility for kicking and has played different roles, so has some sense of what is needed. He is also captain for PNG as well (if I remember right) and has played in big games so has that too.

Otherwise, it is a struggle to pick anyone else. They all have massive flaws!
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