: Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:25 pm  

Could you please change m wrote:

The people who are saying Bailey should be banned are the same people whom jizz in their pants whenever they see SBW's hit on him, which unlike Mary Bailey got straight up from.

i think some people were just shocked at the impact, we dont see to many over here. its not illegal but i do think it should be made illegal (shoulder contact to the face) however much i enjoy seeing it.

bailey is back playing his best, and its good to see as he seems to be concentrating more on his game than the 'other stuff'. england call up if he keeps it up? i wonder...

: Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:29 pm  

I always remember Morley getting banned in the NRL for a shoulder to face tackle. That was when Ricky Stewart said he was only banned because "He's Adrian Morley" IIRC

Re: Hysterical Hypocrisy : Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:42 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

To be fair I think the hysteria spread like knotweed evenly between the two camps. For each insane rambling from a St Helens fan that Bailey should be banned, there was an equally insane rant from a chufty banging Leeds fan suggesting Bailey had a good game or that he is generally a good player.

I think the rest of Super League should bring the popcorn when they watch the Cup game as there will be no need for any movies that day, as the action will go off on the beeb live from Headingly. If Saints are able to put a competitive squad out (I know our paper thin squad is our fault before you point that out) it could be one of the best atmospheres at a game ever. I've not looked forward to a game this much in years.

I think we should start a book on how quickly the first brawl will begin.

For mine Bailey is a good player.to quote McClennan Bailey is an enforcer who upsets people.

: Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:54 pm  

There's a basic lack of common sense or appreciation of the true nature of a fan being shown here.... As fans we scrutinise what our team does far more carefully and indepth than we do with other team's players - it may be subconscious, but it's a fact nonetheless. Obviously, in flashpoint situations which are replayed over and over again, we then pay more attention to other team's players, but quite often we miss the quiet, unheralded things they do.

For this reason, every club has its unsung players - those players that the club's fans will notice, but opposition fans who don't see them week in week out don't. For a few years, JJB was a perfect example of this - quietly and unspectacularly going about doing a lot of hard work. Now of course he gets the deserved recognition for this. Bailey is a prime example of someone who puts in a lot of work and doesn't often get any recognition for it. Instead, opposition fans focus purely on a few flash point situations and base their opinion of him solely on that.

Fans who see Bailey avery week (well, those who have some degree of common sense anyway...) see Bailey as a damn good player, who has been in 3 Grand Final winning teams and 2 world club championship winning teams, and over this period has been picked on a regular basis by two of the best coaches in the game at the moment (as well as being picked to play at international level by the most successful British coach in the Super League era). Opposition fans see him as a thug. Which of the two opinions carries the most weight I wonder......

: Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:59 pm  

HyperbolicRhino wrote:

Fans who see Bailey avery week (well, those who have some degree of common sense anyway...) see Bailey as a damn good player, who has been in 3 Grand Final winning teams and 2 world club championship winning teams, and over this period has been picked on a regular basis by two of the best coaches in the game at the moment (as well as being picked to play at international level by the most successful British coach in the Super League era). Opposition fans see him as a thug. Which of the two opinions carries the most weight I wonder......

beautifully put.

: Wed Mar 25, 2009 1:00 pm  

HyperbolicRhino wrote:

There's a basic lack of common sense or appreciation of the true nature of a fan being shown here.... As fans we scrutinise what our team does far more carefully and indepth than we do with other team's players - it may be subconscious, but it's a fact nonetheless. Obviously, in flashpoint situations which are replayed over and over again, we then pay more attention to other team's players, but quite often we miss the quiet, unheralded things they do.

For this reason, every club has its unsung players - those players that the club's fans will notice, but opposition fans who don't see them week in week out don't. For a few years, JJB was a perfect example of this - quietly and unspectacularly going about doing a lot of hard work. Now of course he gets the deserved recognition for this. Bailey is a prime example of someone who puts in a lot of work and doesn't often get any recognition for it. Instead, opposition fans focus purely on a few flash point situations and base their opinion of him solely on that.

Fans who see Bailey avery week (well, those who have some degree of common sense anyway...) see Bailey as a damn good player, who has been in 3 Grand Final winning teams and 2 world club championship winning teams, and over this period has been picked on a regular basis by two of the best coaches in the game at the moment (as well as being picked to play at international level by the most successful British coach in the Super League era). Opposition fans see him as a thug. Which of the two opinions carries the most weight I wonder......

: Wed Mar 25, 2009 1:00 pm  

Hollywood Harrigan wrote:

I always remember Morley getting banned in the NRL for a shoulder to face tackle. That was when Ricky Stewart said he was only banned because "He's Adrian Morley" IIRC

Then again, we all know how logically Pricky reacts to disappointment, don't we?

Re: Hysterical Hypocrisy : Wed Mar 25, 2009 1:05 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

To be fair I think the hysteria spread like knotweed evenly between the two camps.

I have got to disagree with you fundamentaly I`m afraid.

The Saints fans have been calling consistently for Bailey Diskin and to a lesser extent Senior all to be banned for alleged foul or dirty play.

They have worked themselves up to a blind hysteria all week only to be emabarrased by all the rulings from the RFL.

Even worse is the total failure to accept any arguemnt that they are also being totally hypocritical to boot when the likes of Fasavalu Hooper and other Sainter players in the past have all been guilty of exactly the same sorts of indiscretions.

By and large... well no actually its almost a total majority of regular posters have accepted that the Saints deserved their victory on the day and where the better team with perhaps the exception of one notable individual.

: Wed Mar 25, 2009 1:07 pm  

G1 wrote:

beautifully put.

Why thankyou!

The sad thing is though, I wouldn't claim for a second to be any kind of genius or expert in any way - I was just applying basic common sense and logic. Makes you wonder what they put in the water over there... either that or the standard of education in this country is declining even more than I thought!!

: Wed Mar 25, 2009 1:20 pm  

Hollywood Harrigan wrote:

I always remember Morley getting banned in the NRL for a shoulder to face tackle. That was when Ricky Stewart said he was only banned because "He's Adrian Morley" IIRC

In the NRL your shoulder is classed as part of your arm, so a shoulder in the face is head high