: Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:17 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

You are in cloud cuckoo land if you think Peacock is playing better than Graham at the moment. They are without any doubt the top two props in Super League, but it's Graham pulling the trees up last season and this. Of the two Graham is the form player and has the potential to get better because of his age whilst Peacock by his own admission is on the other side of the hill Graham is dragging Saints up.

So your contradicting yourself then??
On the 1 hand peacock is 1 of the best in the league but on the other he's over the hill and only graham was/is "pulling trees up".

Graham is very good and has the potential to be an all time great but he hasn't done it consistently at the top level over the number of years that peacock has.
As for pulling up trees he's caught dutch elm disease in the last 2 grand finals!!

: Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:19 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

You are in cloud cuckoo land if you think Peacock is playing better than Graham at the moment. They are without any doubt the top two props in Super League, but it's Graham pulling the trees up last season and this. Of the two Graham is the form player and has the potential to get better because of his age whilst Peacock by his own admission is on the other side of the hill Graham is dragging Saints up.

erm no Graham could be a brill player and possibly captain of england but he has on and off weeks, whereas peacock has always been consistent

: Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:19 pm  

Sorry i totally disagree, another point i forgot to add, JP may be alot older but he can ALSO last longer then ginner graham can do. Peacock also gives a strong performance every single week not on and off.

: Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:22 pm  

rhinoms wrote:

So your contradicting yourself then??
On the 1 hand peacock is 1 of the best in the league but on the other he's over the hill and only graham was/is "pulling trees up".

Graham is very good and has the potential to be an all time great but he hasn't done it consistently at the top level over the number of years that peacock has.
As for pulling up trees he's caught dutch elm disease in the last 2 grand finals!!

Maybe Graham needs to join a club which wins Grand Finals to be recognised as a quality forward

<GH - note link to "lack of forwards" thread. Signing Graham may keep TVOC happy>

: Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:24 pm  

rhinoms wrote:

So your contradicting yourself then??
On the 1 hand peacock is 1 of the best in the league but on the other he's over the hill and only graham was/is "pulling trees up".

Graham is very good and has the potential to be an all time great but he hasn't done it consistently at the top level over the number of years that peacock has.
As for pulling up trees he's caught dutch elm disease in the last 2 grand finals!!

I am not contradicting myself at all. Peacock is past his best. He's what 31 now? He said in an article I read at the start of the year it's getting harder and harder to get back up and that he has to take it easy through certain periods of the season. Peacock is obviously a very fine player and has been throughout his career.

Obviously Graham hasn't done it for as long as Peaock, but that's because he's 22/23. His performances last season and this have been sensational and incredibly consistent. And my god is your constant falling back onto the Grand Finals pathetic.

: Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:31 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

I am not contradicting myself at all. Peacock is past his best. He's what 31 now? He said in an article I read at the start of the year it's getting harder and harder to get back up and that he has to take it easy through certain periods of the season. Peacock is obviously a very fine player and has been throughout his career.

Obviously Graham hasn't done it for as long as Peaock, but that's because he's 22/23. His performances last season and this have been sensational and incredibly consistent. And my god is your constant falling back onto the Grand Finals pathetic.

but what is the whole weekly rounds geared to the grand final, a player is judged on thier success through out thier career and how consistantly well they play, now peacock has won an amazing amount of grand finals, challenge cups and world club challenges, graham has hardly won anything, peacock through out his career has been an exceptional prop and consistantly been the best prop in england, where as graham is not consistent

: Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:33 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

I am not contradicting myself at all. Peacock is past his best. He's what 31 now? He said in an article I read at the start of the year it's getting harder and harder to get back up and that he has to take it easy through certain periods of the season. Peacock is obviously a very fine player and has been throughout his career.

Obviously Graham hasn't done it for as long as Peaock, but that's because he's 22/23. His performances last season and this have been sensational and incredibly consistent. And my god is your constant falling back onto the Grand Finals pathetic.

It's a fact that in the last 2 biggest games of the respective season's that graham hasn't matched peacock in terms of overall game time or impact so what's pathetic about mentioning that???
Graham's a very good prop but still has a long way to go and wether or not peacock says he struggle's at times he still show's his quality on the pitch.

: Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:35 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

And my god is your constant falling back onto the Grand Finals pathetic.

You would like to have that option though I am sure.

: Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:35 pm  

Dicko_09 wrote:

but what is the whole weekly rounds geared to the grand final, a player is judged on thier success through out thier career and how consistantly well they play, now peacock has won an amazing amount of grand finals, challenge cups and world club challenges, graham has hardly won anything, peacock through out his career has been an exceptional prop and consistantly been the best prop in england, where as graham is not consistent

You are what 9, 10 years old? No, success throughout their careers or performances throughout their careers are not relevant factors. The poll asked who is the better forward, which means now, not over whatever period suits your needs best.

Whilst on the subject though I'll think you'll find that Graham has won Super League, 3 or 4 Challenge Cups and the WCC. Not sure where you get the idea from that he's hardly won anything. I forgot to mention the Man of Steel award too.

The comment that Graham is not consistent is farcical. He won Man of Steel last season and carried Saints for large chunks of the season. This season he has scored something like 5 tries and has been our best player again.

: Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:37 pm  

punkasstony wrote:

You would like to have that option though I am sure.

Yeah, we've never been able to boast about Grand Final wins. I wonder what that feels like