Re: Aussies at it again! : Sat Jun 12, 2010 11:56 am  

bad mr johns, should know better.

Let me know if anyone has come across this though. My wife's church is predominatly attended by africans, and overhearing a conversation a couple of years ago she and her friend heard a chap from Nigeria say a racist slur about a white person who lives in his street. When my wife said that's a racist comment, he replied how can it be, it was about a white person, racism is when a non-white is abused verbally.

Everyone needs educating!!

Re: Aussies at it again! : Sat Jun 12, 2010 1:21 pm  

McLaren_Field wrote:

If you think its rife in the UK then you don't have much experience of what it used to be like in the 1970s and 80s, things have improved beyond belief

Yes I certainly do have knowledge of the 70s & 80s - I ain't no spring chicken. Even recall some Indian friends being abused at school in the 60s. I couldn't understand then and I cannot understand now why skin colour or religion has any bearing on how you judge someone

It may have been worse then but it is still rife now. It is still a major problem

Re: Aussies at it again! : Sat Jun 12, 2010 1:29 pm  

the wicker man wrote:

bad mr johns, should know better.

Let me know if anyone has come across this though. My wife's church is predominatly attended by africans, and overhearing a conversation a couple of years ago she and her friend heard a chap from Nigeria say a racist slur about a white person who lives in his street. When my wife said that's a racist comment, he replied how can it be, it was about a white person, racism is when a non-white is abused verbally.

Everyone needs educating!!

now that is Interesting. The man is correct by the letter of the law. Racism is abuse by the majority over the minority. As this is a White powered society(the Whites have the governing power and the population majority). that's how it was tought to me when I worked on a social work team at roundhay road social services after I left uni in 98 to 2000. I was indeed tought by my co-workers who were predominantly black and Asian that they couldn't be racist on the same grounds as the gent in your post pointed out.

Re: Aussies at it again! : Sat Jun 12, 2010 1:51 pm  

you don't have to be white to be racist

Re: Aussies at it again! : Sat Jun 12, 2010 2:13 pm  

TDR wrote:

you don't have to be white to be racist

totally understand you centiment! And i agree with that ideal.

but technically you are wrong. minority groups would disagree with you.

If a minority offers abuse it would be prejudice or xenaphobia
not rascim. Racism is about oppression! You can't be oppressed due to race or ethnicity if you are a part of the powered majority

Re: Aussies at it again! : Sat Jun 12, 2010 3:35 pm  

Just remember this next time you think it's funny to call Sean Long a gypo.

Re: Aussies at it again! : Sat Jun 12, 2010 5:07 pm  

And Johns has fallen on his own sword , quite rightly .

Re: Aussies at it again! : Sat Jun 12, 2010 6:00 pm  

Buck Tarbrush wrote:

And Johns has fallen on his own sword , quite rightly .

Agreed!

Re: Aussies at it again! : Sat Jun 12, 2010 7:02 pm  

sgtwilko wrote:

totally understand you centiment! And i agree with that ideal.

but technically you are wrong. minority groups would disagree with you.

If a minority offers abuse it would be prejudice or xenaphobia
not rascim. Racism is about oppression! You can't be oppressed due to race or ethnicity if you are a part of the powered majority

'you are wrong' Says who?
according to the national curriculum, racism is holding prejudice beliefs against someone (or a group of people) because of their race or nationality (with racialism being acting on your racist beliefs).
And according to the oxford english dictionary, racism is: • noun 1 the belief that there are characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to each race. 2 discrimination against or antagonism towards other races.
note that neither take into account whether the 'offernder' (for lack of a more fitting term) is part of the 'powered majority'

Re: Aussies at it again! : Sat Jun 12, 2010 7:25 pm  

Widnes 'till i die wrote:

'you are wrong' Says who?
according to the national curriculum, racism is holding prejudice beliefs against someone (or a group of people) because of their race or nationality (with racialism being acting on your racist beliefs).
And according to the oxford english dictionary, racism is: • noun 1 the belief that there are characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to each race. 2 discrimination against or antagonism towards other races.
note that neither take into account whether the 'offernder' (for lack of a more fitting term) is part of the 'powered majority'

I'm only telling you what I was instructed as a social services worker in an ethnic strong hold of my city! That was ten years ago! But I know my fello ethnic workers and my line managers held firm to those rules.