Re: 2 year deal for JP : Sun Mar 25, 2012 4:06 pm  

Keith Swiftcorn wrote:

Five to ten years ago maybe, but definitely not now he's approaching his geriatric era.

That is your view and you are entitled it, I think he could still handle even now.

This has to be the most feckwitted comment posted for quite some time, even outdoing unsubstantiated suggestions that NRL clubs were lining up to sign JP at the age of 35. James Graham has not only been this country's best prop forward for the past five years, he's been our best player by some distance for the same length of time both in Super League and - more crucially - at international level. To suggest that Graham lacks the guts and determination which JP has in bucket loads is the type of contribution expected from someone who is clueless and has lost the plot completely. It wasn't James Graham who had to take a breather and fall off a tackle in the 4N Final allowing Paul Gallen to waltz past him before offloading to Thurston for a try under the sticks. I'd like to think JP will now do the sensible thing and retire from the international stage with good grace rather than dragging a zimmer frame along for the 2013 World Cup.

Again it is your view and not mine. Why should JP retire from the international scene, If he's still got the desire I say carry on. Its up to the national coach to retire him and that's not going to happen for a while as he is still one of the best props around.

He was still Leeds most effective forward in numerous games despite pining for a return down under. However, now he's no longer at Leeds and returned home early, he was obviously rubbish and was rubbish all along.

most effective in the odd game yes, but in the rest no.

Hailed on here as a good signing by some when first recruited - a solid, no nonsense prop who will make the hard yards, etc. Those who questioned his signing at the time (like me for instance) were pilloried for having the audacity to question GH's latest sleeve acquisition - no surprises there

For someone like your nice guy self who is in love with all things NRL, having played SoO he should at the very least be able to handle it in Superleague. I questioned his signing at the time on the basis that we better props already on the books.

Re: 2 year deal for JP : Sun Mar 25, 2012 4:10 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

It would have been interesting to see if some of our high profile would have had the desire to be a small fish in a big pond rather tan the other way round?Graham/Ellis/Burgess are to be applauded for testing themselves in the ultimate version of the game - maybe if some of these high profile players had tested themselves the speed and intensity of international rugby would not have exposed their failings in such a tangible manner?

As i said, there are some in RL with an inferiority complex which has manifested as masochism. Why on earth does Peacock need to spend years of his life on the other side of the world to prove something to you? How does the British game benefit from having its best players not playing in the british game? Why should we be applauding people for choosing to play for one team over another? Why do so many people seem to spend so much time simultaneously creaming over some pretty average Aussie talent whilst constantly self-flagellating because of GB RL players if not inferiority manifesting as masochism?

Signing a player until he is 37 is the real point here!!

regards, Petero Civoniceva

Re: 2 year deal for JP : Sun Mar 25, 2012 4:45 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

As i said, there are some in RL with an inferiority complex which has manifested as masochism. Why on earth does Peacock need to spend years of his life on the other side of the world to prove something to you? How does the British game benefit from having its best players not playing in the british game? Why should we be applauding people for choosing to play for one team over another? Why do so many people seem to spend so much time simultaneously creaming over some pretty average Aussie talent whilst constantly self-flagellating because of GB RL players if not inferiority manifesting as masochism?

regards, Petero Civoniceva

We constantly complain about the lack of coverage our game gets - perhaps if we able to compete with the Aussies at international level we might get some coverage.

Unless a larger number of our top players experience the intensity of the NRL we will see the same outcome as we have for the past 40 years - that is how the British game will benefit - simple concept really!!

Aussie talent has shown what is required - do you think keeping you best players in an inferior comp will help us be more competitive?

Re: 2 year deal for JP : Sun Mar 25, 2012 4:59 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

We constantly complain about the lack of coverage our game gets - perhaps if we able to compete with the Aussies at international level we might get some coverage.

Unless a larger number of our top players experience the intensity of the NRL we will see the same outcome as we have for the past 40 years - that is how the British game will benefit - simple concept really!!

Aussie talent has shown what is required - do you think keeping you best players in an inferior comp will help us be more competitive?

The british game wont benefit from having fewer quality players in it. Having a higher quality league will help us be more competitive. Having a lower quality league wont. We need investment in coaching and youth development and a removal on the reliance on and over-estimation of the talents of overseas players.

We can and do frequently produce teams which are competitive with Aus and NZ but we dont have the depth of player to win and to win consistently. That is the difference, the depth of talent. There is no doubt a player at the upper echelons of SL would be in a similar position in the NRL despite what the self-flagellators will have you believe.

Re: 2 year deal for JP : Sun Mar 25, 2012 6:33 pm  

Well played against Saints so far JP.

Definitely worth an extended contract until he's 37.

HEE-HAW!

Re: 2 year deal for JP : Sun Mar 25, 2012 7:25 pm  

Keith Swiftcorn wrote:

Well played against Saints so far JP.

Definitely worth an extended contract until he's 37.

HEE-HAW!

Well done Jeff, superb infantile post. Your true colours have been well and truly revealed.

All the posts since the extension was announced trying to pass yourself off as some kind of knowledgable RL sage just so you could go Nah Nah Na Nah Nah at the first poor performance by JP since signing the extension.

If thats JP's worst performance for the next two years you are going to look a bit of a bell end....well more so than usual anyway.

Re: 2 year deal for JP : Sun Mar 25, 2012 7:46 pm  

Hacked Off wrote:

Well done Jeff, superb infantile post. Your true colours have been well and truly revealed.

All the posts since the extension was announced trying to pass yourself off as some kind of knowledgable RL sage just so you could go Nah Nah Na Nah Nah at the first poor performance by JP since signing the extension.

If thats JP's worst performance for the next two years you are going to look a bit of a bell end....well more so than usual anyway.

I think you have more chance of looking a bell end - the chances that that will be his worst performance in the next two are slim to none. He is now so slow even opponents props leave him for dead - 2 more years!!

Re: 2 year deal for JP : Sun Mar 25, 2012 7:49 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

I think you have more chance of looking a bell end - the chances that that will be his worst performance in the next two are slim to none. He is now so slow even opponents props leave him for dead - 2 more years!!

Thats why I said If........

Re: 2 year deal for JP : Sun Mar 25, 2012 7:54 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

The british game wont benefit from having fewer quality players in it. Having a higher quality league will help us be more competitive. Having a lower quality league wont. We need investment in coaching and youth development and a removal on the reliance on and over-estimation of the talents of overseas players.

We can and do frequently produce teams which are competitive with Aus and NZ but we dont have the depth of player to win and to win consistently. That is the difference, the depth of talent. There is no doubt a player at the upper echelons of SL would be in a similar position in the NRL despite what the self-flagellators will have you believe.

When have last competed with Australia when it has really mattered? Are you seriously suggesting that Kevin Sinfield is comparable to Darren Lockyer or Rob Burrow is comparable to Thurston or Roby is as good as Cameron Smith as for Billy Slater and Wellens going there would make your comments even more laughable.

A more competitive super league will only benefit the international side if the gap in quality is reduced - that is not going to happen anytime soon. So if we are to get near the Aussies the only way this will happen is if our top players mix it with the Aussies week in week out. Maybe then the gulf in quality will not be so obvious.

Re: 2 year deal for JP : Sun Mar 25, 2012 7:56 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

I think you have more chance of looking a bell end - the chances that that will be his worst performance in the next two are slim to none. He is now so slow even opponents props leave him for dead - 2 more years!!

It's obvious why we lost. McGuire wasn't playing.