Re: RD 4 | Huddersfield Giants : Mon Mar 07, 2016 11:40 am  

Andy Gilder wrote:

I think Lilley gets credit for his goalkicking, but he made a terrible read for the winning try. It was Keinhorst's persistence that got him out of jail for blowing a clear 3 on 2 by kicking.

Lilley rightly should get credit for his goal kicking that won the match in the same way that Sinfield did.

I totally disagree that he made a terrible read in fact he should be praised for making the right split second decision.

When he received the ball both his outside men were covered and he showed good skill to try to draw their centre by not passing early. It was never a 3 on 2 but as he made the attacking kick it became a 2 on 1 as their centre was drawn to try and stop the kick opening up the space for Keinhorst to make his run and dive. Young Lilley showed skill, flair and a Mags type ability to create a match winning score. Had he passed and not kicked both Keinhorst and Hall were covered. Yes of course Keinhorst's tenacity was needed to make the score.

The proof of the pudding is that as a result of his play we won the match. Check out the highlights on the Rhinos site and go through the sequence pausing each second.

Re: RD 4 | Huddersfield Giants : Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:21 pm  

Don't you just love being a Leeds fan!!!

Lilley has shown up well in a season where he's no doubt had more game time than expected. Last year he did well against NZ and against the Cowboys he held his own. For me that's good enough. Being 19 and controlling a Super League is harder than any of us will ever know!!

FFS!!! People have opinions but why do so many on here have to air opinions that criticise our players, especially the youngsters. We have a terrible injury list to players in key positions. The guys in the team are battling it out (except against Widnes) and in the long run we'll be better for it. The experience they're gaining now will stand them in good stead.

And I can't work out how people don't rate Mullaly after a handful of games. He's hitting the ball up hard. Yeah, he's made some mistakes but that could be a case of trying too hard.

Re: RD 4 | Huddersfield Giants : Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:54 pm  

If you can point out where I criticised Lilley - other than for that one piece of decision making, an opinion shared by his half back partner at the touchscreen after the game by the way - I'd be grateful.

Thanks.

Re: RD 4 | Huddersfield Giants : Mon Mar 07, 2016 2:25 pm  

D4mo78 wrote:

FFS!!! People have opinions but why do so many on here have to air opinions that criticise our players,

Are you serious?

Re: RD 4 | Huddersfield Giants : Mon Mar 07, 2016 2:55 pm  

D4mo78 wrote:

And I can't work out how people don't rate Mullaly after a handful of games. He's hitting the ball up hard. Yeah, he's made some mistakes but that could be a case of trying too hard.

I think some people just got carried away because of double blunder vs Catalans last week. He isn't the first Leeds forward in recent times to knock on and then immediately give away a penalty in frustration.....so whilst annoying at the time it doesn't really mean anything long term in terms of whether he'll do well at Leeds.

Think it's harsh to judge any of the new guys really at this stage with the team yet to get some momentum and form going with two pivots missing in McGuire and Falloon.

Re: RD 4 | Huddersfield Giants : Mon Mar 07, 2016 3:01 pm  

D4mo78 wrote:

Lilley has shown up well in a season where he's no doubt had more game time than expected. Last year he did well against NZ and against the Cowboys he held his own. For me that's good enough. Being 19 and controlling a Super League is harder than any of us will ever know!!

Can you please confirm an age & experience limit before we can pass opinion on players? I like Lilley's hair & he does look a bit like my brother in law, but I didn't think people would be too bothered about discussing that.

Re: RD 4 | Huddersfield Giants : Mon Mar 07, 2016 3:14 pm  

All admit I was maybe a bit harsh on Mullaly after catalan, he was much improved against the giants.

In terms of Lilley and some of the flack he's had, I think the things people are pointing out is relevent, but at the same time they're the sort of mistakes and issues you expect of someone his age, with the limited first team exposure he's had, therefore it is harsh.

Re: RD 4 | Huddersfield Giants : Mon Mar 07, 2016 3:23 pm  

tigertot wrote:

Can you please confirm an age & experience limit before we can pass opinion on players? I like Lilley's hair & he does look a bit like my brother in law, but I didn't think people would be too bothered about discussing that.

Very droll.

Here's a interesting exercise: compare & contrast the opinion of Luke Gale's talent & value to his (then) teams between the ages of 19 & 23, to that of his current talent & value to Castleford (&, as some would have it, England)

Re: RD 4 | Huddersfield Giants : Mon Mar 07, 2016 4:12 pm  

Barrie's Glass Eye wrote:

In terms of Lilley and some of the flack he's had, I think the things people are pointing out is relevent, but at the same time they're the sort of mistakes and issues you expect of someone his age, with the limited first team exposure he's had, therefore it is harsh.

Mistakes aside Lilley appears to have no pace, none whatsoever and I doubt that will change even with an increase in age and experience.

Re: RD 4 | Huddersfield Giants : Mon Mar 07, 2016 4:36 pm  

tvoc wrote:

Mistakes aside Lilley appears to have no pace, none whatsoever and I doubt that will change even with an increase in age and experience.

That does appear to be his Achilles Heel & one that must have been clear throughout his time in the various academy sides.
The club must have a template for the attributes they require in all positions.
When players don't match up to those then they should be moved on & others brought in/recruited to replace them.
I'm not suggesting an approach akin to that used in the old eastern bloc to match youngsters to different sports but something more akin to the NFL draft process whereby athletes are assessed against standard parameters.
To help identify talent.
Or is that all too "big Brotherish" & I don't mean the crap, so called reality tv programme?