Re: Enough is enough : Tue Apr 12, 2016 1:20 pm
Juan Cornetto wrote:
Because the sun might shine today does not mean it will shine tomorrow. It shows a random example that does not take into consideration other important factors. In all Wakefield's wins since their change of coach their main two halfbacks (with Finn a successful kicker too) have been major factors as indeed they were when they beat us by 4 points.
Yet you still were happy to have both Sutcliffe and McGuire play together in the halfbacks! I cannot follow your logic Rhinoms. Sutcliffe would need to be along side Cooper Cronk to be effective as a 6. IMO he quite obviously should not play in a pivotal position (apart from perhaps fullback) as he is not a decision maker or a game changer. This does not mean he should not figure in the squad. I have said many times his skill set is better suited to centre and he has been useful as a bench utility player too.
Ok then for which position would you have recruited a leader and goal kicker.
What is you definition of numerous? and did you ever consider that by giving credit Mac is showing motivational management skills? It is quite usual in professional sport for the coach to allow the captain, senior players and assistant coaches to run parts of training sessions to give imput and practice among other things decision making and on field leadership. This in no way means Mac's role in our success is diminished as you have tried to insinuate.
Come on now Rhinoms he is hardly likely to say to the media that he is disappointed with the signings is he? He has to tow the company line and has to try and motivate the players is has got.
Who is responsible for the recruitment at Rhinos and the purse strings? Now I do not know the conversations between BM and GH regarding recruitment matters and neither does anyone else. So to keep asking for the coach to be sacked without this knowledge is unfair. Other clubs have recruited some quality at halfbacks in the same timescale and if necessary we should have been prepared to use the marquee budget if necessary to try and replace Sinfield's role in the side.
Now I do agree that despite the very serious and ongoing injury list (which I think is worse than most other clubs) we still should have collected more wins and put on better performances. But this has been down to the other major factors which is the loss of form of so many players and in particular the senior ones. Again form comes and goes with experience players and novices alike and then eventually magically returns too.
So I have not said it is simply a lack of quality at halfback but an accumulation of several factors which include: disruption in pre season training, long term injuries to key players, additional serious injuries in training and from the first two games onwards including our new captain and creative half back that meant we could not field a settled side. On top of this we had poor form from senior players and a failure to replace our main game manager at half back. These in themselves should not have been game breakers but when added together have become a recipe for disaster. I believe most if not all coaches would have struggled in the same way that BM has struggle with these particular problems.
Why I keep highlighting our failure to recruit a quality half back as a major problem is because this has now unbalanced our squad. Although McGuire has improves his all round game he still is essentially a runner whose first instinct is to make a break. Burrow and Sutcliffe are both runners too. So all these type of players need a creative passer as do the rest of the team. Lilley shows signs of being creative but it is asking a lot to come in and run the side. This major weakness has been cruelly exposed after we lost McGuire in the first game. This weakness has been proven with the complete failure of our attack which should have won us at least four of the close games we have lost and had that happened we would be sitting in 5th place now without all the panicking.
To be fair to McGuire it seems he still isn't fit yet but without a creative player our shape will never look right. Confidence is low but there were some better signs I felt against Salford. When Burrow went to acting half back we did at least cross the line three times and on another day would have scored three and won the game. Form has to return soon and with the all elusive confidence and momentum and then you get some run of the ball too. For a new coach to come in just when things are due to change seems unfair.
Or the ability to play to a game plan. I am sure dropping the ball over the line or dropping a high bomb was not in the game plan.
Their main goal kicking play-maker half back has played most if not all their games this season so not a fair comparison. Had we had McGuire all season I think we would have won at least enough to be ahead of them.
Yet you still were happy to have both Sutcliffe and McGuire play together in the halfbacks! I cannot follow your logic Rhinoms. Sutcliffe would need to be along side Cooper Cronk to be effective as a 6. IMO he quite obviously should not play in a pivotal position (apart from perhaps fullback) as he is not a decision maker or a game changer. This does not mean he should not figure in the squad. I have said many times his skill set is better suited to centre and he has been useful as a bench utility player too.
Ok then for which position would you have recruited a leader and goal kicker.
What is you definition of numerous? and did you ever consider that by giving credit Mac is showing motivational management skills? It is quite usual in professional sport for the coach to allow the captain, senior players and assistant coaches to run parts of training sessions to give imput and practice among other things decision making and on field leadership. This in no way means Mac's role in our success is diminished as you have tried to insinuate.
Come on now Rhinoms he is hardly likely to say to the media that he is disappointed with the signings is he? He has to tow the company line and has to try and motivate the players is has got.
Who is responsible for the recruitment at Rhinos and the purse strings? Now I do not know the conversations between BM and GH regarding recruitment matters and neither does anyone else. So to keep asking for the coach to be sacked without this knowledge is unfair. Other clubs have recruited some quality at halfbacks in the same timescale and if necessary we should have been prepared to use the marquee budget if necessary to try and replace Sinfield's role in the side.
Now I do agree that despite the very serious and ongoing injury list (which I think is worse than most other clubs) we still should have collected more wins and put on better performances. But this has been down to the other major factors which is the loss of form of so many players and in particular the senior ones. Again form comes and goes with experience players and novices alike and then eventually magically returns too.
So I have not said it is simply a lack of quality at halfback but an accumulation of several factors which include: disruption in pre season training, long term injuries to key players, additional serious injuries in training and from the first two games onwards including our new captain and creative half back that meant we could not field a settled side. On top of this we had poor form from senior players and a failure to replace our main game manager at half back. These in themselves should not have been game breakers but when added together have become a recipe for disaster. I believe most if not all coaches would have struggled in the same way that BM has struggle with these particular problems.
Why I keep highlighting our failure to recruit a quality half back as a major problem is because this has now unbalanced our squad. Although McGuire has improves his all round game he still is essentially a runner whose first instinct is to make a break. Burrow and Sutcliffe are both runners too. So all these type of players need a creative passer as do the rest of the team. Lilley shows signs of being creative but it is asking a lot to come in and run the side. This major weakness has been cruelly exposed after we lost McGuire in the first game. This weakness has been proven with the complete failure of our attack which should have won us at least four of the close games we have lost and had that happened we would be sitting in 5th place now without all the panicking.
To be fair to McGuire it seems he still isn't fit yet but without a creative player our shape will never look right. Confidence is low but there were some better signs I felt against Salford. When Burrow went to acting half back we did at least cross the line three times and on another day would have scored three and won the game. Form has to return soon and with the all elusive confidence and momentum and then you get some run of the ball too. For a new coach to come in just when things are due to change seems unfair.
Or the ability to play to a game plan. I am sure dropping the ball over the line or dropping a high bomb was not in the game plan.
Their main goal kicking play-maker half back has played most if not all their games this season so not a fair comparison. Had we had McGuire all season I think we would have won at least enough to be ahead of them.
My logic as you put it is straight forward we failed to recruit at least 1on field Leader that could come from a number of positions it doesn't have to be a HB.
Look at ST's for e.g lead by Roby & Wilkin.
Re-Cas Their go to FB who plays as an extra HB has been missing as has Roberts Millington Shenton Moors Holmes plenty of their "big hitters" so a more than fair comparison.
Wakey also missing a lot of their bigger players but look organised.
You also seem happy to use Mags injury as an excuse yet dont afford Suttcliffe that same courtesy he's had a serious knee injury had no pre-season & is thrown into a pivotal role amongst an iut of form rudderless shambles.
The Coach/staff are a major part of that & as with the team have failed to come up with any sort of basic gameplan or shape.
Also GH doesn't just say we're signing A,B or C either EVERY Coach has had an input in that process.
