: Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:11 pm  

McLaren_Field wrote:

All I'm saying is just don't Google Image "James Graham"...

...no really, don't do it, not safe for work and all that, just don't do it ok, I said nothing...

It’s like having a big red button labelled “Do not Press” – what you gunna do?

: Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:33 pm  

cheekydiddles wrote:

Given tonights tragic news....who cares

Exactly, brings it home that its just a game

: Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:53 pm  

Ashmeister wrote:

We was the best team in super league last year.

Unfortunately the Grand Final doesent show it!

right to clear up the grand final is the most important fixture of the superleague season, the best team in superleague will win, it int our fault that in the big important matches we beat you and mabye if you want to win the superleague again?, try turning up on grand final night instead opf moaning and looking for 'revenge' in the weekly rounds!

: Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:46 am  

Dicko_09 wrote:

right to clear up the grand final is the most important fixture of the superleague season, the best team in superleague will win, it int our fault that in the big important matches we beat you and mabye if you want to win the superleague again?, try turning up on grand final night instead opf moaning and looking for 'revenge' in the weekly rounds!

Leeds were the best int Grand Final.......................end off.

Saints were best in weekly rounds and Challenge Cup!

: Mon Mar 23, 2009 7:42 am  

The weekly rounds are nothing but a qualifying period.

Well done to St Helens on being the best at qualifying but not finishing the job off.

: Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:57 am  

THELAST3YARDS wrote:

Leeds were the best int Grand Final.......................end off.

Saints were best in weekly rounds and Challenge Cup!

Has it ever occurred to you thick scousers that Leeds took it easy in the qualifying rounds, knowing that as long as a top 2 finsih was achieved that they could turn it on in the play-offs?

Saints like many of their scouse brothers obviously hold hubcaps to be worth much more than they really are. Must be why you nick so many of them

Re: James Graham Possible Straight Sending Off? : Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:01 pm  

King Monkey wrote:

Did Bailey call him a fat ginger virgin or something? I bet that would get his mad up.

maybe at half time he tried to dye his hair black?

: Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:34 pm  

How on earth there can even be an argument about this frankly amazes me!

In the years pre playoffs, every league match mattered, and a team was quite rightly judged on their final league position. However, nowadays, going that extra yard to try to finish 1st instead of 2nd is rather pointless, and doesn't tend to carry any reward (as Saints have proven for the past 2 years - unless of course they class the hubcap as a "reward"!!)

From day one of a Super League season, one thing matters above all else - a win in the grand final - that's what all teams aspire to, and what all fans hope to experience. How can any team be judged on their league position when some league games are not taken as seriously as others? For example, if a team is a week or two away from the playoffs, and they're, say, 14 points down in the 2nd half, do they give everything they have to try and win the game, or do they look at the bigger picture, coast towards the end of the game, and save their energy for more important games? The perfect example here is the beating Leeds took from Saints in the playoffs last year - if it was vital for Leeds to win that game, would it have panned out the same way? Or was the fact that Leeds coasted through the 2nd half down to the fact that they knew they'd probably get another crack at Saints, in a game when it REALLY mattered, in a couple of weeks time? Leeds chose to look at the bigger picture, and we all know how that turned out!

So, in reality, league position and regular season win/loss records would only mean anything if every team gave everything they had in every league game. As long as there are play offs, that will never happen! So, for all the Saints fans trying to kid themselves that they were the best team last year, if you were to be offered a straight swap - the hub cap and your regular season win/loss record against Leeds in exchange for a reverse of the Grand Final result - how many seconds would it take you to bite our hands off??!!!

: Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:12 pm  

HyperbolicRhino wrote:

How on earth there can even be an argument about this frankly amazes me!

In the years pre playoffs, every league match mattered, and a team was quite rightly judged on their final league position. However, nowadays, going that extra yard to try to finish 1st instead of 2nd is rather pointless, and doesn't tend to carry any reward (as Saints have proven for the past 2 years - unless of course they class the hubcap as a "reward"!!)

From day one of a Super League season, one thing matters above all else - a win in the grand final - that's what all teams aspire to, and what all fans hope to experience. How can any team be judged on their league position when some league games are not taken as seriously as others? For example, if a team is a week or two away from the playoffs, and they're, say, 14 points down in the 2nd half, do they give everything they have to try and win the game, or do they look at the bigger picture, coast towards the end of the game, and save their energy for more important games? The perfect example here is the beating Leeds took from Saints in the playoffs last year - if it was vital for Leeds to win that game, would it have panned out the same way? Or was the fact that Leeds coasted through the 2nd half down to the fact that they knew they'd probably get another crack at Saints, in a game when it REALLY mattered, in a couple of weeks time? Leeds chose to look at the bigger picture, and we all know how that turned out!

So, in reality, league position and regular season win/loss records would only mean anything if every team gave everything they had in every league game. As long as there are play offs, that will never happen! So, for all the Saints fans trying to kid themselves that they were the best team last year, if you were to be offered a straight swap - the hub cap and your regular season win/loss record against Leeds in exchange for a reverse of the Grand Final result - how many seconds would it take you to bite our hands off??!!!

WELL SAID

: Mon Mar 23, 2009 5:32 pm  

HyperbolicRhino wrote:

How on earth there can even be an argument about this frankly amazes me!

In the years pre playoffs, every league match mattered, and a team was quite rightly judged on their final league position. However, nowadays, going that extra yard to try to finish 1st instead of 2nd is rather pointless, and doesn't tend to carry any reward (as Saints have proven for the past 2 years - unless of course they class the hubcap as a "reward"!!)

From day one of a Super League season, one thing matters above all else - a win in the grand final - that's what all teams aspire to, and what all fans hope to experience. How can any team be judged on their league position when some league games are not taken as seriously as others? For example, if a team is a week or two away from the playoffs, and they're, say, 14 points down in the 2nd half, do they give everything they have to try and win the game, or do they look at the bigger picture, coast towards the end of the game, and save their energy for more important games? The perfect example here is the beating Leeds took from Saints in the playoffs last year - if it was vital for Leeds to win that game, would it have panned out the same way? Or was the fact that Leeds coasted through the 2nd half down to the fact that they knew they'd probably get another crack at Saints, in a game when it REALLY mattered, in a couple of weeks time? Leeds chose to look at the bigger picture, and we all know how that turned out!

So, in reality, league position and regular season win/loss records would only mean anything if every team gave everything they had in every league game. As long as there are play offs, that will never happen! So, for all the Saints fans trying to kid themselves that they were the best team last year, if you were to be offered a straight swap - the hub cap and your regular season win/loss record against Leeds in exchange for a reverse of the Grand Final result - how many seconds would it take you to bite our hands off??!!!

Good post...

Just to add, is it really worth playing 28 games to qualify for a one off match?