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Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:49 am  
SmokeyTA wrote:
Who called Zak homophobic?



You. You said he was guilty of homophobia.
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Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Wed Jun 11, 2014 7:51 am  
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Who called Zak homophobic?

Use your mouse and your eyes and read the threads. I'm not your interpreter.
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Do not converse with me you filthy minded deviant.


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My rage isn't impotent luv, I'm frothing at the mouth actually.

Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:37 am  
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You. You said he was guilty of homophobia.

i didnt, i said that he used a homophobic slur and the RFL have banned him for homophobic abuse. I never said Hardaker himself, was a homophobe.

What we saw was lots of fog-knitting from those desperate to defend him that the words he used werent homophobic which doesnt quite tally with a 5 match ban for homophobic abuse.
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Do not converse with me you filthy minded deviant.


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My rage isn't impotent luv, I'm frothing at the mouth actually.

Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:38 am  
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Use your mouse and your eyes and read the threads. I'm not your interpreter.

you presented the claim, you present your evidence.

I didnt see many, if any, call Hardaker a homophobe.
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Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:56 am  
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I think Zak is a fantastic player and would love to have him at the Wire. He has apologised for his remarks which were made in the heat of the battle and I'm sure he regrets and like many of us wishes he could turn the clock back.


Problem for me is the validity of that apology (to Monaghan) when the independent findings state:

"The tribunal accepted that the player is not homophobic but were satisfied that the remarks were made to the match official"

So did he get any extra ban for getting a carefully crafted apology drawn up, in an effort to show contrition, that was now found to be b*llsh!t ?
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Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:25 pm  
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Problem for me is the validity of that apology (to Monaghan) when the independent findings state:

"The tribunal accepted that the player is not homophobic but were satisfied that the remarks were made to the match official"

So did he get any extra ban for getting a carefully crafted apology drawn up, in an effort to show contrition, that was now found to be b*llsh!t ?


Except that's not what that means, is it?

Hardaker insists the comments were made at Monaghan. Neither you, nor I, nor the panel know whether that was actually the case, all we can do is form an opinion based on evidence. The only person who knows whether that is true or not is Hardaker.

Having experienced being refereed by James Child I wouldn't be at all surprised if he assumed the comments were made at him, given he seems to believe the entire world revolves around his ego.

If that's what he's put in his report, then the panel are hardly going to hang one of their own referees out to dry by telling him he's got it wrong, are they?
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Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:30 pm  
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Problem for me is the validity of that apology (to Monaghan) when the independent findings state:

"The tribunal accepted that the player is not homophobic but were satisfied that the remarks were made to the match official"

So did he get any extra ban for getting a carefully crafted apology drawn up, in an effort to show contrition, that was now found to be b*llsh!t ?


Is 5 games not enough for you or do you want blood too?
How about he gets put in the stocks for a week, so you can go down and lob cabbages at him?
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Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:38 pm  
No, but I think its worth recognising that an independent panel were satisfied that he'd made the remarks to the referee, and this wasn't reflected in the "apology" which was, perhaps, deliberately misleading.

I'd rather people were sincere and honest with their apologies.

Let's hope that Zak returns to focussing on being the very good player that he is.
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Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:47 pm  
If you're using an RFL disciplinary panel as an arbiter of fact, you're on dodgy ground.
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Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:48 pm  
5 games is a disgrace. You can risk ending a players career and get less games.

Yet another microcosm for the soft mollycoddled society we've reared over the last generation.

I blame the rfl

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