Re: RD 4 | Huddersfield Giants : Mon Mar 07, 2016 4:42 pm  

There have been and continue to be plenty of good half-backs around world rugby who are more Bernie the Bolt than Usain (kids, ask your parents).

Lack of pace in itself isn't a killer flaw in a half's game.

Re: RD 4 | Huddersfield Giants : Mon Mar 07, 2016 4:45 pm  

It's a good job Sinfield was fast otherwise he might not have made it.

Re: RD 4 | Huddersfield Giants : Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:06 pm  

Wasn't it a case anyway with McGuire that post his serious knee injury and he struggled that people said he'd been too reliant on his speed and not learnt to become a more rounded HB? He has developed this over the last couple of seasons now though.

If Lilley knows he can't rely on speed from the start then what's to stop him from working on other attributes and ending up being a more rounded and better HB because of that?

Re: RD 4 | Huddersfield Giants : Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:08 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

It's a good job Sinfield was fast otherwise he might not have made it.

It is to Super League's eternal shame during the past decade that a player of Sinfield's somewhat limited spectrum was able to orchestrate and extract the number of winners medals that he eventually did. Internationally, he was hopeless and a basket case.

Re: RD 4 | Huddersfield Giants : Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:14 pm  

son of headingley wrote:

Here's a interesting exercise: compare & contrast the opinion of Luke Gale's talent & value to his (then) teams between the ages of 19 & 23, to that of his current talent & value to Castleford (&, as some would have it, England)

I've always thought Gale a decent SH, but he has far exceeded even my estimation of his quality. But this is the first time he has had a settled run in a quality side. It's an obvious but fair comparison. However, unless Lilley is a bit overawed by his surroundings he has shown not an inkling of anything above the ordinary in all the games I have seen him.

Re: RD 4 | Huddersfield Giants : Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:49 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

If you can point out where I criticised Lilley - other than for that one piece of decision making, an opinion shared by his half back partner at the touchscreen after the game by the way - I'd be grateful.

Thanks.

Sutcliffe didn't criticise Lilley. At the touchscreen Sutty didn't come over as the sharpest tool in the box on any of his comments and when asked to talk through the build up to Lilley's good kick he said he would have passed which rather shows why we are lacking at SO.

Re: RD 4 | Huddersfield Giants : Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:26 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

There have been and continue to be plenty of good half-backs around world rugby who are more Bernie the Bolt than Usain (kids, ask your parents).

Lack of pace in itself isn't a killer flaw in a half's game.

The best 7's have always been quick though. Even the likes of Andy Gregory or Alfie Langer could shift over 10-15 metres if you took your eye off them. But depends what you are expecting. Seems some people have high expectations based on who we've had the last decade or so. Tough on a kid like Lilley. Long way to go for him yet.

Re: RD 4 | Huddersfield Giants : Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:36 pm  

William Eve wrote: It is to Super League's eternal shame during the past decade that a player of Sinfield's somewhat limited spectrum was able to orchestrate and extract the number of winners medals that he eventually did. Internationally, he was hopeless and a basket case. If only he could do what your favourite SBW did whilst playing international RL. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ok-AIOF-wiM

William Eve wrote: It is to Super League's eternal shame during the past decade that a player of Sinfield's somewhat limited spectrum was able to orchestrate and extract the number of winners medals that he eventually did. Internationally, he was hopeless and a basket case. If only he could do what your favourite SBW did whilst playing international RL. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ok-AIOF-wiM

Re: RD 4 | Huddersfield Giants : Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:07 pm  

Barrie's Glass Eye wrote:

All admit I was maybe a bit harsh on Mullaly after catalan, he was much improved against the giants.

Agree he got his nose through the line a bit, still raw but think has fair bit of potential. Making an error and then trying too hard to make up for it with a daft shoulder charge at least showed a bit of passion and desire to make amends for team. think he could be useful if brought on slowly - which if he plays of bench is guaranteed!

Re: RD 4 | Huddersfield Giants : Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:18 pm  

William Eve wrote:

It is to Super League's eternal shame during the past decade that a player of Sinfield's somewhat limited spectrum was able to orchestrate and extract the number of winners medals that he eventually did. Internationally, he was hopeless and a basket case.

Aware that some posters have referred to you as Jeff and some stated you are very personable and engaging, however I am finding this hard to believe. I only know one person who constantly moans with such high quality and attention to detail, the mother-in-law, Molly is it really you? I know we have not had a conversation in the last 4 years but I did'nt want to interrupt. Really pleased you have got a new hobby, xx