Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Tue Jun 16, 2015 8:36 pm  

loiner81 wrote:

You mean this?

Wasn't me who brought up that bet and it also wasn't me who disappeared when I offered to take him up on it....


Is this the Saints that along with Leeds are getting weaker, whilst Wigan and Warrington are improving? That's what you said a few weeks ago wasn't it?

And no, their injuries haven't been worse than ours at all.

As for the rest of your post, I think you're just making things up now to make yourself feel superior, or something. I never claimed Leeds would go all season unbeaten but I also haven't written them off after a mid season run of poor form that's coincided with quite a few injuries.

Now's who being a realist?

I never said you claimed Leeds would go unbeaten - as Gilder says your reading or comprehension skills need polishing up. I predicted at the start of the season Leeds to finish 5th you are confident they will finish top. I am not writing them off all I am saying is things need to improve if your aspirations for the team are to be met. I have consistently said the games after the split will determine where Leeds finish. Seven games of higher intensity week after week will test this ageing thin squad. They had a cushion that should have seen them into the top four that cushion is disappearing as the form has worsened. The games against Saints and Wigan will be crucial

Saints injuries have been severe - Lomax is out for the season, Walsh has played 5 games - Leeds are struggling with Hardaker missing a couple of games just imagine if he had missed 80% of the season and McGuire had played 5 games all year? Catalans a team I also predicted to finish above Leeds have also been unable to get Carney on the field if they do and they can get him fit they will be a strong team.

I don't need to make things up to make myself feel superior - this is a discussion board, it is entertainment not life and death. Nobody is right or wrong it is just about opinions/debate.

Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Tue Jun 16, 2015 8:41 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

And if people comment on what they've seen and aren't overally/not critical then the usual come charging out at them too.

I didn't realise the term "doom mongers" would've upset people so much. But come on now let's not pretend its all one way traffic with the 'positive' ones 'attacking' the 'negative' ones and nothing going the other way in return. For every "doom monger" or "glass half empty" their has been a "rose-tinted" or "blind loyalty" aimed at someone whose view is contradictory to certain posters.

The doom mongers term isn't even being used in relation to peoples view on the games that we've played, it's in relation to their view regarding the future. It seems that when thinking about how our season will unfold they only seem to look at the defeats to come to their conclusion (which then inevitably spells doom for the team). When it's pointed out the games that we've won as a pointer to what we could achieve this year their are posters who often put the main reasoning down to our wins as chiefly because the opposition played poor.

Leeds beat Hudds in the cup....."yeah but only because Hudds were so poor"
Leeds beat Saints away comfortably....."yeah but only because Saints were so poor"
Leeds beat Wigan at home....."yeah but only because Wigan were so poor"

"They'll all up their game and beat us!"

You can't have it both ways - when they lose you always have an excuse:

Leeds lost to Castleford because of a short turn round
Leeds lost to Widnes because they saved Sinfield for the CC
Leeds lost to Warrington because Bentham never gives us anything
Leeds lost to Wigan because of injuries

It is never because Leeds weren't good enough or they were beat by a better side

Etc, Etc

Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Tue Jun 16, 2015 8:47 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

Injury lists aren't always about how many are injured but which ones. In 2010 we had 3 players missing at the end of the season which isn't a huge number, but two of those were Pescock and McGuire so it was as significant than having 5/6 other guys out.

Saints have got injuries but crucially not to Roby, Amor and Wamsley. They can get by losing a few backs because that's not the key to their teams chances. If we're to be successful we need our starting back 5. You don't have most neutrals calling them the best back 5 in the competition and then not get impacted when you're missing a few of them for periods of time.

The other point you and a few others keep going on about. Nobody is actually the performances have been good of late or that everything is ok at present.....difference is some of us haven't thrown the towel in and decided we'll play this way every week up until Round 30.

On Saints I would say Walsh is pretty crucial unless you think they are the only side that don't really need a quality half back? Take McGuire out of the Leeds side and you would really notice a difference. He only had three assists on Thursday (sic)!!

Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Tue Jun 16, 2015 10:31 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

I never said you claimed Leeds would go unbeaten - as Gilder says your reading or comprehension skills need polishing up.

Oh look, another patronising, negative nancy.

Read the quote below, then please go join Andy Gilder at comprehension class...

Sal Paradise wrote:

Leeds were playing some attractive rugby and were in a good position. Unlike you who thought it would go on forever some of us knew it couldn't

Can't be bothered with the rest of your post, it's just more of your one eyed doom mongering.
At least there's no mention of how much better than us Wigan & Wire are though... Maybe next week if they win a game eh?

Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Tue Jun 16, 2015 10:33 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

You can't have it both ways - when they lose you always have an excuse:

Leeds lost to Castleford because of a short turn round
Leeds lost to Widnes because they saved Sinfield for the CC
Leeds lost to Warrington because Bentham never gives us anything
Leeds lost to Wigan because of injuries

It is never because Leeds weren't good enough or they were beat by a better side

Etc, Etc

Why did Wigan get blown away by Catalans, how come Wire can't buy a win?
How come Saints beat Wigan despite having the worst injury list in SL history?

etc etc.

Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Wed Jun 17, 2015 1:45 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

You can't have it both ways - when they lose you always have an excuse:

Leeds lost to Castleford because of a short turn round
Leeds lost to Widnes because they saved Sinfield for the CC
Leeds lost to Warrington because Bentham never gives us anything
Leeds lost to Wigan because of injuries

It is never because Leeds weren't good enough or they were beat by a better side

Etc, Etc

Ermmm no

I didn't say we lost to Castleford souley because of the short turnaround, I said it should be factored into the debate of the loss.

Didn't say we lost to Widnes because Sinfield was sbsent but highlighted that it was significant.

I highlighted Bentham doesn't award us much after the Wigan game (not Warrington) didn't actually blame him, just pointed out a history of him not awarding us much (a nod to how he refs games really)

With regards to injuries in the Cas match. Handley and Sutcliffe had a key hand in 24 of the 31 points we conceded.....if you can honestly sit there and say we'd have conceded as many with Briscoe and Hardaker then fair enough......but I think you'll find most don't agree with that so hence the pointing out the significance of injuries.

I've also freely admitted that we weren't good enough vs Cas. Hell I even said after we had that classy 2nd half showing against Hull that most got carried away with that the 1st half was cause for concern.

Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:05 am  

All players make errors. To say Brisco wouldn't have made the error Handley did at the end is daft. He probably wouldn't have but he could have made an equally key error at another time, like last minute in a play off.

I think its more the injuries hitting on very similar positions which is stretching us, but the style with which we were playing earlier in the season has deserted us

Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Wed Jun 17, 2015 7:22 am  

ThePrinter wrote:

Ermmm no

I didn't say we lost to Castleford souley because of the short turnaround, I said it should be factored into the debate of the loss.

Didn't say we lost to Widnes because Sinfield was sbsent but highlighted that it was significant.

I highlighted Bentham doesn't award us much after the Wigan game (not Warrington) didn't actually blame him, just pointed out a history of him not awarding us much (a nod to how he refs games really)

With regards to injuries in the Cas match. Handley and Sutcliffe had a key hand in 24 of the 31 points we conceded.....if you can honestly sit there and say we'd have conceded as many with Briscoe and Hardaker then fair enough......but I think you'll find most don't agree with that so hence the pointing out the significance of injuries.

I've also freely admitted that we weren't good enough vs Cas. Hell I even said after we had that classy 2nd half showing against Hull that most got carried away with that the 1st half was cause for concern.

Erm yes as you have just shown there are always reasons other than perhaps this team is no longer strong enough.

To suggest Handley and Sutcliffe were responsible for 24 points is simply desperation on your part. The point about Briscoe has already been answered as for Hardaker the Wigan game at Magic highlighted he still has some issues defensively

Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Wed Jun 17, 2015 8:42 am  

While some Leeds fans attempt to play fantasy RL on here to mitigate a defeat against a team forced to rebuild in key positions during the off season - what outcome do they reach when Castleford also get to play their injured full back and winger?

Not that I imagine they would consider such a thing.

Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:01 pm  

loiner81 wrote:

Oh look, another patronising, negative nancy.

Read the quote below, then please go join Andy Gilder at comprehension class...

Can't be bothered with the rest of your post, it's just more of your one eyed doom mongering.
At least there's no mention of how much better than us Wigan & Wire are though... Maybe next week if they win a game eh?

I don't visit here as much as I used to but I don't recall you ever behaving like a di ck before.

What's changed?