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Re: Unsackable Mac : Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:25 am  
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As opposed to glossing over the decline in resources at London as the club itself declined. Considering no coach at London after McDermott has done any better wouldn't it make more sense to look at issues at club level rather than at the coach?

For instance the leaving of Lenagan and the emergence of Hughes seems to co-incide with their decline.


IIRC in 2012 London were assumed to be one of the SL clubs spending the full salary cap. Not sure that chimes with a coaching staff being deprived of resources (on the field at least) under David Hughes tenure. Hard as it is to believe there were/still are distinctly average coaches employed in SL.
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Re: Unsackable Mac : Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:26 am  
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I do not think forums are truly representative of fans opinions. The regular posters are made up the retired or the unemployed and feature a high percentage of the complainers.

Some posters express very strange logic with regard to changing the coach.

Before, these same posters wanted him out in his first season. They then had to take a large bite of humble pie as Mac got to Wembley and won the Championship. Showing the same impatience in his second season there were calls again for a change. Mac once more confounded these self declared sages as he again took the team to the Cup Final and a second Championship win.

Having been so wrong twice before these keyboard coaches grasped at a failure to win a third Championships on the trot as proof that Mac wasn't up to the job and they had been right all along, despite a serious injury handicap.

Now despite a good first half of the season and still in 2nd spot and the Cup semi the knives are out yet again from these so-faithful supporters. Their latest logic is that a new coach is required to oversee the up coming changes in the squad caused by retirements of key players.

For some it hasn't dawned yet that BM has been managing a transition since he arrived. Replacements for Web, Ali, Buderus, Smith etc a new set of backs already in place, several talented young players now with first team experience. A new proven NRL prop already signed to cover one key spot. He (and GH) are half way already in the transitional period.

There is no logic to say that another coach would be better to complete the job. In fact there is logic in saying it would be a greater gamble for a new coach to win over the aging stars who will still be key to our success over the next couple of seasons. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

That's a big assumption you're making in that first sentence without anything whatsoever to back it up!
Now onto this coaching debate does he also sh## gold coins?
Lets be honest im more than happy to admit he proved me wrong it was great to see us come good and witness the Club/Team I've followed for over 30years were competing for and winning trophies.
However like most sports we deal in the here and now I as others have pointed out there is a "shelf life" or even in this case a "stick or twist" situation on the horizon I personally think the very least we need is a new no2 someone with afresh approach and able to help Mc and the team.
The Coaches just like players are not always going to be bang on that's a given it happens and whilst the over-view looks good with 2nd spot and a CC semi on the horizon the fine detail amongst it needs addressing does it not or do we sit back and wait till we lose 2/3/4 major players at once or even the Coach?
Now I'm sure/hope GH has plans in place the opinions exchanged on here are just that and just as the "Sack the coach" calls obviously rankle with you this "he can do wrong" or anyone who thinks there are issues is "wrong" and don't represent the wider fan base is just as grating.
I don't just exchange views on here and whilst I will never claim to speak on anyone elses behalf but my own view with all due respect is that many fans are discussing the next stage re-Coaches and Players.
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Re: Unsackable Mac : Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:00 pm  
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Now onto this coaching debate does he also sh## gold coins?


As big as wagon wheels.
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Re: Unsackable Mac : Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:20 pm  
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Is the fact that Leeds are 2nd in the table and in the Cup semi and you no longer a regular poster just a coincidence then?


Leeds' current situation is a complete irrelevance to my posting patterns - just as it will be if/when they are 5th and miss out on Wembley.
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Re: Unsackable Mac : Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:59 pm  
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Nobody who is fully employed would have the time to make so many posts as some do during working hours.


I`m self employed working hours 24/7 and still find time to post :mrgreen:
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Re: Unsackable Mac : Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:15 pm  
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As big as wagon wheels.


Have you seen the size of Wagon Wheels recently, they're tiny compared to the ones you used to get!!!!!
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Re: Unsackable Mac : Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:24 pm  
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Have you seen the size of Wagon Wheels recently, they're tiny compared to the ones you used to get!!!!!


They need to be as the great, fat, unwashed can't help themselves.

(for further reading see Juan's generalist, sweeping and largely embarrassing post)
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Re: Unsackable Mac : Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:50 pm  
Rastrick Rhino wrote:
Have you seen the size of Wagon Wheels recently, they're tiny compared to the ones you used to get!!!!!


Apparantly not the case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagon_Wheels
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Have you seen the size of Wagon Wheels recently, they're tiny compared to the ones you used to get!!!!!


Apparantly not the case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagon_Wheels
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Re: Unsackable Mac : Thu Jul 17, 2014 3:44 pm  
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IIRC in 2012 London were assumed to be one of the SL clubs spending the full salary cap. Not sure that chimes with a coaching staff being deprived of resources (on the field at least) under David Hughes tenure. Hard as it is to believe there were/still are distinctly average coaches employed in SL.

Whether they were or not in 2012 I don't know but I do know they struggled to sign even average players and I also know that the resources available to the coaches declined significantly in recent years and during McDermott's time there. Resources for assistants, conditioners, analysts, training facilities etc.
Leeds spend almost as much on these aspects per year as they do on the first team itself.

I agree there are average coaches employed in SL. Whilst I don't think McDermott is the next Wayne Bennett I class him as well above these average coaches. And to present his record at London in isolation without reference to the club's issues is disingenuous at best.
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Re: Unsackable Mac : Thu Jul 17, 2014 4:00 pm  
What I do know about McD as a coach at Leeds is that I have had to eat my words on several occassions so have learnt to respect the guy.

It a seems to me he has a long term approach and stratergy and will sometimes make short term sacrifices on certain aspects to disguise is true intentions and longer term goals.
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