Re: RD 4 | Huddersfield Giants : Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:43 pm  

Juan Cornetto wrote:

Sutcliffe didn't criticise Lilley. At the touchscreen Sutty didn't come over as the sharpest tool in the box on any of his comments and when asked to talk through the build up to Lilley's good kick he said he would have passed which rather shows why we are lacking at SO.

He said he thought he should have put it through the hands. That isn't a criticism of Lilley, it's Sutcliffe saying he would have taken a different decision. Interesting that you've chosen to describe Sutcliffe in such derogatory terms, just to support your opinion. For "not the sharpest tool in the box" he's certainly shown plenty of game intelligence at different times in his career.

Watch it back, there's a decoy runner (Ferres?) who just impedes a sliding defender enough for Lilley to get on his outside shoulder. This attracts in the defender next to McGillvray. At that point, having engaged the defender, Lilley could have passed and given Keinhorst a 2 on 1 with Hall outside him and just McGillvray to beat.

That was the easier option and probably the percentage play, rather than the kick. In hindsight it came up for him. Doesn't mean it was the correct decision to make at the time.

Re: RD 4 | Huddersfield Giants : Mon Mar 07, 2016 9:03 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

Watch it back, there's a decoy runner (Ferres?) who just impedes a sliding defender enough for Lilley to get on his outside shoulder. This attracts in the defender next to McGillvray. At that point, having engaged the defender, Lilley could have passed and given Keinhorst a 2 on 1 with Hall outside him and just McGillvray to beat.

That was the easier option and probably the percentage play, rather than the kick. In hindsight it came up for him. Doesn't mean it was the correct decision to make at the time.

The way Hall played on Friday perhaps the kick for Keinhorst was the percentage play after all.

Re: RD 4 | Huddersfield Giants : Mon Mar 07, 2016 9:48 pm  

The greatest English half-backs I've seen were Alex Murphy and Roger Millward, they were both crafty with the ball and devastating runners when a gap appeared.

To be both as a teenager is rare and perhaps asking too much but without some basic pace I think he's unlikely to survive long enough to develop the requisite skills at this level.

Re: RD 4 | Huddersfield Giants : Mon Mar 07, 2016 10:42 pm  

Mark Laurie wrote:

Aware that some posters have referred to you as Jeff and some stated you are very personable and engaging, however I am finding this hard to believe. I only know one person who constantly moans with such high quality and attention to detail, the mother-in-law, Molly is it really you? I know we have not had a conversation in the last 4 years but I did'nt want to interrupt. Really pleased you have got a new hobby, xx

If you ever discover the capability for looking outside the Rhinos/SL bubble of mediocrity in your assessment of players, feel free to engage me in discussion. Moreover, if you discover any evidence of Sinfield's world class attributes and stellar international career, please do let me know.

Re: RD 4 | Huddersfield Giants : Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:03 am  

William Eve wrote:

If you ever discover the capability for looking outside the Rhinos/SL bubble of mediocrity in your assessment of players, feel free to engage me in discussion. Moreover, if you discover any evidence of Sinfield's world class attributes and stellar international career, please do let me know.

7 grand finals, 2 CC, 3 LLS, 3 MofM awards in finals, highest ever Leeds top scorer, highest ever SL top score, highest ever England top scorer, and a golden boot... enough attributes?
No English player has had a stellar international career since like the 70s because of the dominance of Australia
His kicking, big game performance, organisation and leadership were second to none on his day
Good effort mate anyway

Re: RD 4 | Huddersfield Giants : Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:10 am  

tvoc wrote:

Mistakes aside Lilley appears to have no pace, none whatsoever and I doubt that will change even with an increase in age and experience.

Thurston and Cronk and Foran are about as quick as Lilly, nothing to worry about imo

Re: RD 4 | Huddersfield Giants : Tue Mar 08, 2016 8:50 am  

leedsnsouths wrote:

7 grand finals, 2 CC, 3 LLS, 3 MofM awards in finals, highest ever Leeds top scorer, highest ever SL top score, highest ever England top scorer, and a golden boot... enough attributes?
No English player has had a stellar international career since like the 70s because of the dominance of Australia
His kicking, big game performance, organisation and leadership were second to none on his day
Good effort mate anyway

If Sinfield had played and been as successful at the highest level ie, NRL and internationally you may have had a point.

One of the finest players in the SL era and competition but the standard is not comparable to the NRL. At international level even his biggest fans can say he was a huge success such as Peacock

Re: RD 4 | Huddersfield Giants : Tue Mar 08, 2016 8:52 am  

leedsnsouths wrote:

Thurston and Cronk and Foran are about as quick as Lilly, nothing to worry about imo

Those three players have a huge skill set to compensate - Lilley is playing in an inferior competition which will help but to compare him to Thurston/Cronk etc is stretching a point.

Re: RD 4 | Huddersfield Giants : Tue Mar 08, 2016 9:55 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

If Sinfield had played and been as successful at the highest level ie, NRL and internationally you may have had a point.

One of the finest players in the SL era and competition but the standard is not comparable to the NRL. At international level even his biggest fans can say he was a huge success such as Peacock

I agree, he had his moments but not enough to regard him a success on the International stage unfortunately.

He was playing during an era of pretty poor England/GB sides though (2007-2012 we were particularly bad as a group imo), who were up against at times fantastic Aussie teams with the Queensland spine in their pomp, just something i think should be taken into consideration.Put Sinfield in that Aussie team i have no doubt he would have shone but he just didn't have the players around him, and Sinfield's game isn't built around virtuoso individualism. I also thought he was pretty good during his swansong the 2013 WC (last play aside) when we had a capable team who could get on the front foot which highlights what he may have been able to produce in years past had he had the personnel around him. All, if's buts and maybe's i know but things that need to be considered imo.

Re: RD 4 | Huddersfield Giants : Tue Mar 08, 2016 10:21 am  

Kev won the golden boot. The man is legit. The best ever.