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| Quote Magic Superbeetle="Magic Superbeetle"Sorry the picture you grabbed shows shoulder on shoulder contact?'"
Im not sure if you need some new glasses, but you see that red bit, you know the top of the ‘V’ which is his shoulder, is right in the Face of Atkins, not his shoulder
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| Welsby’s left shoulder makes direct contact with Atkin’s head leaving him with a bloody mouth and nose. Welsby should be banned for that but won’t be and will play on Saturday.
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| Quote christopher="christopher"Im not sure if you need some new glasses, but you see that red bit, you know the top of the ‘V’ which is his shoulder, is right in the Face of Atkins, not his shoulder'"
Atkins head is the other side of Welsbys head. So the only contact that could have happened would be with Welsbys right shoulder (which given the direction Welsby tackled from would be the right shoulder for him to lead with). So two possibilities;
His right shoulder is lower than his left, leading to shoulder on shoulder contact, his arm tucks under Atkins arm and drives him back (which the behind angle shows)
His right shoulder is higher than his left, and it’s a classic clothes line tackle which would have rotated Atkins with pressure on the neck, rather than sending him backwards (which is what anyone claiming head contact must assume happened?)
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| Quote Magic Superbeetle="Magic Superbeetle"Atkins head is the other side of Welsbys head. So the only contact that could have happened would be with Welsbys right shoulder (which given the direction Welsby tackled from would be the right shoulder for him to lead with). So two possibilities;
His right shoulder is lower than his left, leading to shoulder on shoulder contact, his arm tucks under Atkins arm and drives him back (which the behind angle shows)
His right shoulder is higher than his left, and it’s a classic clothes line tackle which would have rotated Atkins with pressure on the neck, rather than sending him backwards (which is what anyone claiming head contact must assume happened?)'"
So why his his left shoulder in the face of Atkin?
Look i don’t particularly want him to be be banned but there has been bans for far less this season
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| It was a rubbish tackle with no control. He hit him in the face, hence the blood. It could have been far better (if the guy hadn't been falling a bit it would have been fine) or a hell of a lot worse. The problem was Wellsby had zero control of the impact. I wouldn't be surprised if he escapes a ban with the GF coming up, but if the MRP is consistent with what they've done all year he'll be banned.
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| Quote Magic Superbeetle="Magic Superbeetle"Atkins head is the other side of Welsbys head. So the only contact that could have happened would be with Welsbys right shoulder (which given the direction Welsby tackled from would be the right shoulder for him to lead with). So two possibilities;
His right shoulder is lower than his left, leading to shoulder on shoulder contact, his arm tucks under Atkins arm and drives him back (which the behind angle shows)
His right shoulder is higher than his left, and it’s a classic clothes line tackle which would have rotated Atkins with pressure on the neck, rather than sending him backwards (which is what anyone claiming head contact must assume happened?)'"
What on earth are you talking about? You see the head in the picture? That's Atkins head. You see that shoulder in his face? That's Welsby's left shoulder. This is the reverse angle.
What is it with Saint's fans collective blindness on this one? Nobody's saying he did anything deliberately, but it's clearly a shoulder to the head and as such he should be banned for it. By all means bemoan the system, but don't look at evidence and deny what's clear and obvious.
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| Quote Magic Superbeetle="Magic Superbeetle"Atkins head is the other side of Welsbys head. So the only contact that could have happened would be with Welsbys right shoulder (which given the direction Welsby tackled from would be the right shoulder for him to lead with). So two possibilities;
His right shoulder is lower than his left, leading to shoulder on shoulder contact, his arm tucks under Atkins arm and drives him back (which the behind angle shows)
His right shoulder is higher than his left, and it’s a classic clothes line tackle which would have rotated Atkins with pressure on the neck, rather than sending him backwards (which is what anyone claiming head contact must assume happened?)'"
Getting a frivolous appeal in [ibefore[/i a ban?
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| if Sezer's attempted tackle on Theo Fages against Huddersfield was worthy of a grade B, reckless high tackle, i dont see that Welsbys should be any different
Knowles was so clearly putting pressure on a joint in an unnatural position, ban goes without saying - the number of games i dont know, since its been a while since ive seen an offence like it, but at least one
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| Quote Once were Loiners="Once were Loiners"It was a rubbish tackle with no control. He hit him in the face, hence the blood. It could have been far better (if the guy hadn't been falling a bit it would have been fine) or a hell of a lot worse. The problem was Wellsby had zero control of the impact. I wouldn't be surprised if he escapes a ban with the GF coming up, but if the MRP is consistent with what they've done all year he'll be banned.'"
Beat tackle i've seen all season nowt wrong with it all and if if it was so bad why did no Salford player make a fuss ?
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| Quote thesaint62="thesaint62"Beat tackle i've seen all season nowt wrong with it all and if if it was so bad why did no Salford player make a fuss ?'"
it was high, and the salford player behind knew it and came in due to it
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| I'd love to hear John Wilkins view of the Welsby incident. He's been condemning those kind of tackles all season but now the shoe is on the other foot I'm guessing he'll think common sense should prevail.
This is what all fans have been asking for all year.
The Welsby tackle wasn't an intentional high tackle but it was reckless and they have to put in place the same punishments as they have all year. No doubt it will change for next year just like I'm sure they will have 2 weeks before semi's and final for concussion protocol.
I just don't understand how the people in charge don't see how there changes will affect the sport from the onset.
As a sport we are continually taking a reactive approach to the poor choices of those in charge.
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| Quote Neruda="Neruda"it was high, and the salford player behind knew it and came in due to it'"
High? Rubbish bet you wouldn't say that if it had been a Leeds player
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