Re: Joe Westerman : Sun Oct 18, 2015 5:22 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

Yes but what did Hull tell Westerman? What did Warrington tell Clark?

You're telling us what Leeds told these players. Your story is based on these players only listening to Leeds' version of events.

Either Warrington agreed and told Clark it was a done deal.....and are the ones to back out once they've found an expensive chauffeur.

Or they told Clark it wasn't yet a done deal and considering they're his current employers then you'd go with that if you were in Clark's shoes surely.

You're only presenting Leeds' apparent version of events, what were the other clubs version of events? Pretty important considering it was their players in the first place.

I only know the Leeds position. But considering that Hull and Warrington had agreed with the talks for Leeds to have, that would show the players they would be leaving if deals can be done would it not? Therefore I don't understand why you are so fixed on what they said.

As for Brierley, the first time, well that was made clear from the Leigh Chairman, who made it clear Leeds had spoken to him without their Permission. So I guess as they didn't know, they couldn't have told the player any different to what Leeds were saying could they?

If someone offered you a contract for a job, which you wanted, would you not believe it until your current employer told you?

Re: Joe Westerman : Sun Oct 18, 2015 5:25 pm  

The Magic Rat wrote:

So Hetherington, who has been recruiting / selling players for 30 odd years gets permission to speak to a player from their current club without agreeing a fee. Meets said player and agrees terms. Then tells player its a done deal before he has agreed a transfer fee. This from a man who keeps his cards close to his chest at the best of times and has managed to keep many signings under wraps until it was officially announced ( a few exceptions accepted ).
Not for the first time I will take some of what is posted on here with a barrow load of salt.

I can only recall one signing in the last 13 years, that being Ali, that wasn't known by people before it was announced. You would have to have been without Internet, conversation, or phones, to believe what I think you are trying to say.

Re: Joe Westerman : Sun Oct 18, 2015 5:30 pm  

Gotcha wrote:

I can only recall one signing in the last 13 years, that being Ali, that wasn't known by people before it was announced. You would have to have been without Internet, conversation, or phones, to believe what I think you are trying to say.

Apart from Mullaley's, Cuthbertson's and Garbutt's names never being mentioned on here until they signed. I think at best Garbutt was named only 2/3 days beforehand.

Re: Joe Westerman : Sun Oct 18, 2015 5:34 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

Apart from Mullaley's, Cuthbertson's and Garbutt's names never being mentioned on here until they signed. I think at best Garbutt was named only 2/3 days beforehand.

Actually you are correct on Garbutt, I did forget about him. Not the others though. And not mentioning on here is not an indication of under wraps, plenty mentions elsewhere.

Re: Joe Westerman : Sun Oct 18, 2015 5:36 pm  

Gotcha wrote:

I only know the Leeds position. But considering that Hull and Warrington had agreed with the talks for Leeds to have, that would show the players they would be leaving if deals can be done would it not? Therefore I don't understand why you are so fixed on what they said.

Because those clubs will agreed to Leeds buying those players based on a certain fee being discussed between the two teams.

Gotcha wrote:

As for Brierley, the first time, well that was made clear from the Leigh Chairman, who made it clear Leeds had spoken to him without their Permission. So I guess as they didn't know, they couldn't have told the player any different to what Leeds were saying could they?

So Brierley spoke to Leeds behind his present clubs back and took it as gospel that the deal was done. Sounds legit.

Gotcha wrote:

If someone offered you a contract for a job, which you wanted, would you not believe it until your current employer told you?

Not in the sporting world if it was dependent on my current employers being satisfied with selling me for the right price.

Re: Joe Westerman : Sun Oct 18, 2015 5:42 pm  

Gotcha wrote:

Actually you are correct on Garbutt, I did forget about him. Not the others though. And not mentioning on here is not an indication of under wraps, plenty mentions elsewhere.

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Really because usually it only takes two minutes before people post what they've heard on here......when was that club prevention night you just mentioned in relation to your latest rumour? 24 hours ago wasn't it?

Seem to recall everyone getting braced for Sam Rapira signing for us until he was announced for Hudds and out of the blue we had Mullaley.

Re: Joe Westerman : Sun Oct 18, 2015 6:04 pm  

Gotcha wrote:

As for Brierley, the first time, well that was made clear from the Leigh Chairman, who made it clear Leeds had spoken to him without their Permission. So I guess as they didn't know, they couldn't have told the player any different to what Leeds were saying could they?

Leigh held his registration. They could have prevented him playing for Leeds so he must have known it wasn't a done deal.

Re: Joe Westerman : Sun Oct 18, 2015 6:23 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

Because those clubs will agreed to Leeds buying those players based on a certain fee being discussed between the two teams.

Exactly, and the players took Leeds word on it that it was sorted. Leeds assumed they would get the deal they wanted. They didn't, hence the failure of the deals.

Comes back yet again to Leeds telling players something that is not the case, and it is only that that I have made the point on.

Re: Joe Westerman : Sun Oct 18, 2015 6:38 pm  

Gotcha wrote:

No , Leeds haven't agreed a deal with Hull over Westerman, having agreed terms with him and told him done deal. As a consequence they also missed out on Clarke, who had also agreed terms with Leeds, who also told him a done deal. Unless of course they can persuade Wire to change again on Clarke.

The "criticism" is not not signing players, it is telling players deal done before actually agreeing with the club concerned. People need to stop getting on the defensive and actually look at what is said, and the movement at hand.

And as for Burgess the comment on him and Westerman came from a coach at Leeds, whom I shall not name, who was at our clubs presentation evening last night. There is three signings to be announced over next month.

Please are you at liberty to say what positions the 3 signings will cover? Thanks

Re: Joe Westerman : Sun Oct 18, 2015 6:50 pm  

rhino2009 wrote:

Please are you at liberty to say what positions the 3 signings will cover? Thanks

I don't know mate sorry, I don't proclaim to know inside tracks. All I know from speaking to a Leeds coach, is that Leeds couldn't pay the fee to see through the Westerman deal that Hull wanted, as a lot was going on Burgess. Last night I didn't believe it, but having seen the many comments today about the Westerman deal falling through, I now do. Furthermore the same coach said there was three signings. If one is Butgess and we know we will get an hooker, that only leaves one anyway, which I presume is Brierley.