Re: Wigan H : Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:26 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

Well just like the likes of Hall and Ablett have returned from injury into a balanced squad with a quality 9 and found form alongside the likes of Watkins then hopefully McGuire does the same when he returns. In his post match interview, Lilley sounded like he expects McGuire to be back next week vs HKR.

I saw Maggsy after game on Fri and he looked to be walking fine so hopefully back next week.

Re: Wigan H : Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:35 pm  

Juan Cornetto wrote:

In my view it is no coincidence that team spirit has improved since he departed. With more than half the triple winners missing because of injury or retirement it was incumbent on the senior players who did take the field to step up to the mark and show leadership, take responsibility and set a good example to the reserves and juniors who were thrown into a difficult situation. The likes of Burrow and JJB did do that but sadly the much overrated Hardaker was unable or unwilling to show the same character and was found badly wanting.

We may never know what off field stuff was going on but it is my guess that ZH's influence was not a positive one. I really hope his performances improve so that he remains down under.

Meh, we beat and nilled Salford whilst he was still here and he played vs Wakey at wing, centre and FB during the game when won comfortably so a bit harsh to put it on him.

Re: Wigan H : Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:40 pm  

Marty Grrrrrrrrrr! wrote:

[youtube][/youtube]All of the above is true fella but the ability has to be there in 1st place and in Lilley i havent seen the ability personally.

Yeah hes very young and has time to develop and improve. Hope the kid becomes a Leeds legend but i havent seen it yet. Only my opinion tho against plenty of people who seem to think hes the future.

He has the ability. Look at the wigan game, he took control a number of times - doing great kicks into touch at the right times. He really has a feel for the pace of the game. Other times he'd jump in at dummy half and get things moving at the right time. Some of it was really sinfield esk. He's 19, he only made his first appearence towards the end of last season so we can't expect him to be gliding round the pitch controlling every blade of grass like stacey jones or something. But I'm sure if we stick with him until 23/24 he'll become a good dictator halfback. Put someone with pace in alongside him at that time and we'll have a great pairing.

Re: Wigan H : Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:04 pm  

FlexWheeler wrote:

He has the ability. Look at the wigan game, he took control a number of times - doing great kicks into touch at the right times. He really has a feel for the pace of the game. Other times he'd jump in at dummy half and get things moving at the right time. Some of it was really sinfield esk. He's 19, he only made his first appearence towards the end of last season so we can't expect him to be gliding round the pitch controlling every blade of grass like stacey jones or something. But I'm sure if we stick with him until 23/24 he'll become a good dictator halfback. Put someone with pace in alongside him at that time and we'll have a great pairing.

Exactly. He's played 20 games this year including a WCC, invaluable experience and probably 3 times as many games as he would've expected to play this year. And let's not forget most of those were without a quality number 9 which can only help your halves....last two weeks you could see him going on autopilot jumping into dummy half when Segeyaro was there to do the job and he hasn't had to be involved in the 'hiding 3 HB's in defence' issue.

Tricky to learn whilst the season is in progress at that age. A full preseason behind him to look back, review and work on his performances this season and will be very interesting to see how he's developed for 2017.

I'm optimistic for the lads future if we stick with him.

Re: Wigan H : Sun Jul 17, 2016 9:25 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

Meh, we beat and nilled Salford whilst he was still here and he played vs Wakey at wing, centre and FB during the game when won comfortably so a bit harsh to put it on him.

Not putting it all on him at all but he has been one of our worst players this year. Not sure of your point here? Do you want me to list all the games he played in this year that we lost?

Re: Wigan H : Sun Jul 17, 2016 9:36 pm  

Still to see anything from Lilley that suggests he is anything more than a shirt filler until something better turns up at Headingley. Leeds need a quality half-back to lead them back to SL respectability and no part of his game convinces me he's close to providing it. His lack of pace both with and without the ball is really scary in a 19 year old and he doesn't have the game to begin to compensate for that.

Re: Wigan H : Sun Jul 17, 2016 9:46 pm  

Juan Cornetto wrote:

Not putting it all on him at all but he has been one of our worst players this year. Not sure of your point here? Do you want me to list all the games he played in this year that we lost?

No don't want you to list games he played.....just pointing out the claim the upturn started after he left is incorrect....and also first 5/6 games he was one of the better performers actually, although that's not saying much. (Away to Wigan he was one of very few who didn't give up and stopped us from being nilled with his try at the end)

Re: Wigan H : Sun Jul 17, 2016 9:52 pm  

tvoc wrote:

Still to see anything from Lilley that suggests he is anything more than a shirt filler until something better turns up at Headingley. Leeds need a quality half-back to lead them back to SL respectability and no part of his game convinces me he's close to providing it. His lack of pace both with and without the ball is really scary in a 19 year old and he doesn't have the game to begin to compensate for that.

What 19 year old does? (Anybody would think Luke Gale was at his current level at 19) He's played a key part in the tries and the few wins we've had this year in a poor performing side. Let's list the number of 19 year HB's who've done that in SL.............

If the lad can play a decent (yet admittedly needs to learn) part at 19, what can he do at 22/23 with another 75/100 games behind him? Like pointed out, no different to Gale except he's come along at the right time to get first team chances.

Re: Wigan H : Sun Jul 17, 2016 10:34 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

No don't want you to list games he played.....just pointing out the claim the upturn started after he left is incorrect....and also first 5/6 games he was one of the better performers actually, although that's not saying much. (Away to Wigan he was one of very few who didn't give up and stopped us from being nilled with his try at the end)

You are going off at a tangent. Where did I mention "the upturn started"?

I said "In my view it is no coincidence that team spirit has improved since he departed" So I think you missed the point.

It would take longer to list the games this year where he played badly!

Re: Wigan H : Sun Jul 17, 2016 11:36 pm  

I'd rather have a halfback who has some kind of idea how to run a game than some headless chicken with bags of pace. SL produces loads of the latter, very very few of the former. I've no idea if Lilley will make it, but halfbacks with his kind of attitude and eye for the game are what SL is desperately short of.