Re: Garbage - get rid of him : Sun Aug 14, 2016 9:29 am  

ryano wrote:

Mate, why do you even bother engaging with this div? Life's too short!

Because a number of people on here are saying the same thing - perhaps we are all divs - or maybe its you that is the div

Re: Garbage - get rid of him : Sun Aug 14, 2016 9:43 am  

Stevosfalseteeth wrote:

Thank god some of you lot aren't running the club! If Segeyaro stays, we need an organiser at 6. That's it. Ward will be like a new signing.

Thank god you are not running the club. Hetberington might well be getting some over the top comments, but anyone who thinks one position will take us from cellar dwellers to challengers is simply off their rocker.

It will no doubt take us back into the eights, But is that the peak of our ambitions now? It will get us nowhere near the top four. We would not even be Castleford standard. You should strengthen from a position of strength, that is where Hetherington failed on this occasion. But when the chips are down, you don't rest on your laurels, you do something about it, and this is where he needs to make up for it.

Re: Garbage - get rid of him : Sun Aug 14, 2016 9:58 am  

Mullally....why is it he seems to be one that I continually forget about?? He was actually getting a lot of gametime at one point....is he injured now? (Not that he is any great loss).

From the little I have seen this season (and even less so now - and in the future - apart from online) I have to say the lucky signing of Segeyaro has probably stopped the club from suffering a likely relegation. Even with him in the team, the team looked far from convincing against HKR a couple of days ago. Without him and his two typical hooker's tries it aint looking good is it?
The positives this season are few: so many team members seem to have gone backwards. It is good to see Watkins apparently back to some semblance of his good attacking ability; no doubt partly because he is no longer having to cover for too many HB's on the field at the same time in defence. However, it seems to be also partly due to the much better attacking FB we have in the shape of Liam Sutcliffe. I have always defended Hardaker, but it is very noticeable the difference Sutcliffe makes in attack: he actually links and passes. I confess he has surprised me in his new role and I would suggest FB is his better position. His defence isn't too bad one on one either. Let's hope Hardaker and Segeyaro stay where they are presently incumbent.
Burrow to me still seems more valuable than McGuire this season, but both are well past their best. Making McGuire captain was the mistake that many suggested it would be: he just does not have the temperament. If the club was even in a position to let both go then who would the club recruit? AGAIN it seems the club has left it far too late to make any top notch worthwhile signings. A 'controlling' HB should have been and is a priority.....on the assumption we keep Segeyaro of course. Otherwise hooker remains the absolute priority. However, it looks like we're buggered again for 2017 especially if Segeyaro returns to the NRL.

I wonder what excuses could be used for the 2017 start without SPOTY, The floods and the NZ friendly

As for the forwards if we do allow/compel JJB, Ablett, Achurch (wholeheartedly agree), Garbutt, Cuthbertson and Galloway to leave where the hell do we get their replacements from? IMO I cannot understand the criticism of Garbutt: he seems to be our best yardage maker and does exactly what a prop should do. Galloway seems to have settled into a role again consistent with what a prop should be doing. Cuthbertson does seem to have gone backwards, but again if we let him return to Oz because of rumoured homesickness then were is our replacement to be found? Ablett similarly if we allow to retire from the game because of rumoured wishes to do so, where again is our replacement to be found? JJB surely will call it a day at the end of this season: Ward effectively will be his replacement (hopefully - we have yet to see how he recovers of course). Keinhorst remains good cover and should definitely be retained. Singleton remains good enough.

At the very least in 2017 we need that good game controlling HB (exchanged for Hardaker?); the retention of Segeyaro .....and that new coach of course .

Otherwise we will be in line for championship footie in 2018 (can't believe GH will find the same luck again with another Segeyaro saviour in 2017)

Re: Garbage - get rid of him : Sun Aug 14, 2016 10:05 am  

Cyprusexile wrote:

Mullally....why is it he seems to be one that I continually forget about?? He was actually getting a lot of gametime at one point....is he injured now? (Not that he is any great loss).

From the little I have seen this season (and even less so now - and in the future - apart from online) I have to say the lucky signing of Segeyaro has probably stopped the club from suffering a likely relegation. Even with him in the team, the team looked far from convincing against HKR a couple of days ago. Without him and his two typical hooker's tries it aint looking good is it?
The positives this season are few: so many team members seem to have gone backwards. It is good to see Watkins apparently back to some semblance of his good attacking ability; no doubt partly because he is no longer having to cover for too many HB's on the field at the same time in defence. However, it seems to be also partly due to the much better attacking FB we have in the shape of Liam Sutcliffe. I have always defended Hardaker, but it is very noticeable the difference Sutcliffe makes in attack: he actually links and passes. I confess he has surprised me in his new role and I would suggest FB is his better position. His defence isn't too bad one on one either. Let's hope Hardaker and Segeyaro stay where they are presently incumbent.
Burrow to me still seems more valuable than McGuire this season, but both are well past their best. Making McGuire captain was the mistake that many suggested it would be: he just does not have the temperament. If the club was even in a position to let both go then who would the club recruit? AGAIN it seems the club has left it far too late to make any top notch worthwhile signings. A 'controlling' HB should have been and is a priority.....on the assumption we keep Segeyaro of course. Otherwise hooker remains the absolute priority. However, it looks like we're buggered again for 2017 especially if Segeyaro returns to the NRL.

I wonder what excuses could be used for the 2017 start without SPOTY, The floods and the NZ friendly

As for the forwards if we do allow/compel JJB, Ablett, Achurch (wholeheartedly agree), Garbutt, Cuthbertson and Galloway to leave where the hell do we get their replacements from? IMO I cannot understand the criticism of Garbutt: he seems to be our best yardage maker and does exactly what a prop should do. Galloway seems to have settled into a role again consistent with what a prop should be doing. Cuthbertson does seem to have gone backwards, but again if we let him return to Oz because of rumoured homesickness then were is our replacement to be found? Ablett similarly if we allow to retire from the game because of rumoured wishes to do so, where again is our replacement to be found? JJB surely will call it a day at the end of this season: Ward effectively will be his replacement (hopefully - we have yet to see how he recovers of course). Keinhorst remains good cover and should definitely be retained. Singleton remains good enough.

At the very least in 2017 we need that good game controlling HB (exchanged for Hardaker?); the retention of Segeyaro .....and that new coach of course .

Otherwise we will be in line for championship footie in 2018 (can't believe GH will find the same luck again with another Segeyaro saviour in 2017)

.....and as for Delaney. Please put him down now with some remaining dignity. He has featured so little this season I had forgotten about him. His esteemed coach is of course responsible for his curtailed carreer by throwing him into the fray whatever his lingering injuries. He does deserve a good pay off...and some of McDermott's future salary for his part in the present situation.

Re: Garbage - get rid of him 2 : Sun Aug 14, 2016 10:13 am  

Stevosfalseteeth wrote:

Ward will be captain. It's a question of when not if. It should be 2017.

You would hope so....barring injuries. For sure McGuire aint a bloody captain...and at present is worth less than Burrow (which is only relative of course) as a player too.

Re: Garbage - get rid of him : Sun Aug 14, 2016 11:37 am  

[quote=I wonder what excuses could be used for the 2017 start without SPOTY, The floods and the NZ friendly
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Already sorted...at least for any potential poor home performances... No/Poor atmosphere due to no South Stand

Re: Garbage - get rid of him : Sun Aug 14, 2016 11:48 am  

Fat Boy wrote:

Mags is hitting his sell by date, next year he'll be past it. He's not a leader and relied on his ability to spot a gap and be through it; can still spot the gap but the legs just wont get him there these days.

Burrow makes one or two 'darts' a game. Not enough to justify his very valuable 7 shirt.

Delaney spends more time on the physio bench than on the pitch - gives 110% but his body just can't take it any more.

Galloway just hasn't done anything to impress - he came with all the right credentials but nothing more than your run-of-the-mile, ten-a-penny SL props. For what we're paying we could get better.

I thought McGuire was past it in 2011? or again in 2014?
Its funny how none of his detractors from previous years made any noise last year
He is injured and if he recovers will be back to some good form next year

Re: Garbage - get rid of him : Sun Aug 14, 2016 12:07 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

it could argued that 2015 was a blip on the back of all the emotion of two great players' last season.

That's an embarrassing post, even by your own incredibly low standards.

Re: Garbage - get rid of him : Sun Aug 14, 2016 12:11 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Which of these players would you say are playing at the same standard or higher than they did when the Sinny' ran the on the field and Peacock set the culture?

Just because some players are past their best, heading for retirement and others have struggled with injury all season, doesn't mean they were never any good.
Seriously what goes on in that brain of yours, i'm sorry but you're an absolute moron. If you're not making stuff up then you're posting ridiculous claims about RL legends never really being any good.

Re: Garbage - get rid of him : Sun Aug 14, 2016 12:15 pm  

leedsnsouths wrote:

I thought McGuire was past it in 2011? or again in 2014?
Its funny how none of his detractors from previous years made any noise last year
He is injured and if he recovers will be back to some good form next year

They do it every year, just like they write the club off ever year.
They had to be right eventually, bless 'em