Re: Luke Burgess : Sat Aug 14, 2010 8:58 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

thats how i saw it. Luke won the collision and his momentum was going forward, the young cas kid was on his ass falling backwards. Had the heads not clashed as they did, Burgess would have been in open space

Cas did some poor tackling yesterday, but even IF Burgess had won the collision and not been knocked out he was not in the open, Westerman and Sargent were about two feet away. IMO, had he not been knocked out his momentum would have been halted enough for those two to wrap him up. Job done as far as Walker was concerned and we will never know if LB lost the ball due to the impact of tackle or clash of heads.

Re: Luke Burgess : Sat Aug 14, 2010 9:07 pm  

DoubleAone wrote:

Yes back slapping and high fives etc for a good try saving tackle or forcing an error is now part of the modern game but not jumping and celebrating when there was clearly a very huge problem with Burgess.

But to be fair I will watch the incident again in the cold light of day so to speak.

Players often do that and JW was no different. The example earlier with Vinnie Anderson on Tickle, Anderson is leant over Tickle shouting in his face while Tickle is struggling to move. What about Guttenbeil on Catic when Awen is practically sat on top of Catic and even slaps him as he shouts in his face. It happens lots and either you watch the game or are just a keyboard warrior. Our game is full of these hits and players celebrating them, so will people please stop making something out of nothing. Anyone who still believe this isn't the case, go spend half an hour on youtube.

Re: Luke Burgess : Sat Aug 14, 2010 9:15 pm  

marshman wrote:

Players often do that and JW was no different. The example earlier with Vinnie Anderson on Tickle, Anderson is leant over Tickle shouting in his face while Tickle is struggling to move. What about Guttenbeil on Catic when Awen is practically sat on top of Catic and even slaps him as he shouts in his face. It happens lots and either you watch the game or are just a keyboard warrior. Our game is full of these hits and players celebrating them, so will people please stop making something out of nothing. Anyone who still believe this isn't the case, go spend half an hour on youtube.

NO ONE is being a keyboard warrior

Burgess was clearly badly injured almost immediately and I have always stated here IMHO THIS PARTICULAR celebration was out of order.

Re: Luke Burgess : Sat Aug 14, 2010 9:18 pm  

LS16_Rhino wrote:

The issue here is the reaction and continual chanting from a set of fans that have already proven this season that they have little or no regard for opposition players, decency or the law

Continual chanting being "one Johnny Walker" for about 30 seconds? or the little back & forth with Senior? which Ryan Hall even joined in with?

It's a completely different story when it's Leeds fans chanting & cheering when players are down injured isn't it? and don't say it doesn't happen because every time someone gets injured at Headingley on TV you can clearly hear the cheering, chanting of the player who caused the injuries names then some times booing the injured player off the pitch.

DoubleAone wrote:

Burgess was clearly badly injured almost immediately and I have always stated here IMHO THIS PARTICULAR celebration was out of order.

So in your opinion, celebrating a big hit, then stopping when he realised Burgess was injured, is wrong?

Does that mean we should ban players celebrating from now on then?

Re: Luke Burgess : Sat Aug 14, 2010 9:46 pm  

The big issue for me in the Luke Burgess injury was that at 78 minutes and 38-6 down the game was dead, For the young kid to run 50 metres in the dying minutes of the game and put such a hit on an opposing player, accident or not, for me there was clear intent to do damage. Had he and the rest of the Tigers team played to a similar level for the previous 78 minutes (Chase & Ferris apart) or had the score been really close it may have warranted a hit like that, not that I'm saying Cas should have rolled over and accepted their fate but there was nothing to gain other than to put an opposing player in hospital plus the celebration was shocking.

Re: Luke Burgess : Sat Aug 14, 2010 9:49 pm  

ROCHDALERHINO wrote:

The big issue for me in the Luke Burgess injury was that at 78 minutes and 38-6 down the game was dead, For the young kid to run 50 metres in the dying minutes of the game and put such a hit on an opposing player, accident or not, for me there was clear intent to do damage. Had he and the rest of the Tigers team played to a similar level for the previous 78 minutes (Chase & Ferris apart) or had the score been really close it may have warranted a hit like that, not that I'm saying Cas should have rolled over and accepted their fate but there was nothing to gain other than to put an opposing player in hospital plus the celebration was shocking.

Re: Luke Burgess : Sat Aug 14, 2010 9:50 pm  

ROCHDALERHINO wrote:

The big issue for me in the Luke Burgess injury was that at 78 minutes and 38-6 down the game was dead, For the young kid to run 50 metres in the dying minutes of the game and put such a hit on an opposing player, accident or not, for me there was clear intent to do damage. Had he and the rest of the Tigers team played to a similar level for the previous 78 minutes (Chase & Ferris apart) or had the score been really close it may have warranted a hit like that, not that I'm saying Cas should have rolled over and accepted their fate but there was nothing to gain other than to put an opposing player in hospital plus the celebration was shocking.

So now a young player isn't allowed to show commitment for 80 minutes and put in a big hit? the excuses get worse

He clearly wasn't trying to put him in hospital either, like you've quite wrongly said, he was merely trying to make an impression to the coaches and force a knock on, which he did. It wasn't a clear intent to do damage bloody hell you'll try find a purpose for an accidental head collision if Walker came off second best, you'd have all been laughing at how he made himself look stupid etc etc, but because it happened to one of your lot you complain about it being a disgraceful act, when it was a freak injury that wouldn't happen 99/100, just like Richard Owen's injury at Bradford - it happens, deal with it.

And how was the celebration shocking? he stopped as soon as he saw Burgess was injured

DoubleAone wrote:

:CLAP:

Seriously, what is agreeable about ANYTHING he put? if you think a kid trying to put a big hit in and show effort is disgraceful etc I'd suggest RL is too rough a sport for you to be watching, go watch Football if you think he was being too rough for your precious little mind.

Re: Luke Burgess : Sat Aug 14, 2010 9:52 pm  

ROCHDALERHINO wrote:

The big issue for me in the Luke Burgess injury was that at 78 minutes and 38-6 down the game was dead, For the young kid to run 50 metres in the dying minutes of the game and put such a hit on an opposing player, accident or not, for me there was clear intent to do damage. Had he and the rest of the Tigers team played to a similar level for the previous 78 minutes (Chase & Ferris apart) or had the score been really close it may have warranted a hit like that, not that I'm saying Cas should have rolled over and accepted their fate but there was nothing to gain other than to put an opposing player in hospital plus the celebration was shocking.

Because its a morale booster to put a big hit in. At least shows you put some effort in.

Re: Luke Burgess : Sat Aug 14, 2010 9:55 pm  

inside_man wrote:

Because its a morale booster to put a big hit in. At least shows you put some effort in.

Bingo.

The poor me attitude the Leeds fans have over this is quite amusing, they've made a big deal out of an accident and a kid showing some effort and commitment, he's only played a handful of games, of course he's going to want to make an impression, not to mention the big hit seems to be his "thing", the Burgess twins in the friendlies both got big hit by him, James Stosic did last year (and he went back further then he went forward Walker hit him that hard).

Re: Luke Burgess : Sat Aug 14, 2010 9:57 pm  

Gaslight wrote:

Continual chanting being "one Johnny Walker" for about 30 seconds? or the little back & forth with Senior? which Ryan Hall even joined in with?

It's a completely different story when it's Leeds fans chanting & cheering when players are down injured isn't it? and don't say it doesn't happen because every time someone gets injured at Headingley on TV you can clearly hear the cheering, chanting of the player who caused the injuries names then some times booing the injured player off the pitch.

The most serious injury I’ve seen in recent times at Headingley was when Senior tacked Chev Walker and his bone was sticking through the side of his leg.

I suggest you watch the reaction of the South Stand that night.