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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"thats how i saw it. Luke won the collision and his momentum was going forward, the young cas kid was on his ass falling backwards. Had the heads not clashed as they did, Burgess would have been in open space'"
Cas did some poor tackling yesterday, but even IF Burgess had won the collision and not been knocked out he was not in the open, Westerman and Sargent were about two feet away. IMO, had he not been knocked out his momentum would have been halted enough for those two to wrap him up. Job done as far as Walker was concerned and we will never know if LB lost the ball due to the impact of tackle or clash of heads.
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| Quote DoubleAone="DoubleAone"Yes back slapping and high fives etc for a good try saving tackle or forcing an error is now part of the modern game but not jumping and celebrating when there was clearly a very huge problem with Burgess.
But to be fair I will watch the incident again in the cold light of day so to speak.'"
Players often do that and JW was no different. The example earlier with Vinnie Anderson on Tickle, Anderson is leant over Tickle shouting in his face while Tickle is struggling to move. What about Guttenbeil on Catic when Awen is practically sat on top of Catic and even slaps him as he shouts in his face. It happens lots and either you watch the game or are just a keyboard warrior. Our game is full of these hits and players celebrating them, so will people please stop making something out of nothing. Anyone who still believe this isn't the case, go spend half an hour on youtube.
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| Quote marshman="marshman"Players often do that and JW was no different. The example earlier with Vinnie Anderson on Tickle, Anderson is leant over Tickle shouting in his face while Tickle is struggling to move. What about Guttenbeil on Catic when Awen is practically sat on top of Catic and even slaps him as he shouts in his face. It happens lots and either you watch the game or are just a keyboard warrior. Our game is full of these hits and players celebrating them, so will people please stop making something out of nothing. Anyone who still believe this isn't the case, go spend half an hour on youtube.'"
NO ONE is being a keyboard warrior
Burgess was clearly badly injured almost immediately and I have always stated here [size=200 IMHO[/size THIS PARTICULAR celebration was out of order.
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| Quote LS16_Rhino="LS16_Rhino"The issue here is the reaction and continual chanting from a set of fans that have already proven this season that they have little or no regard for opposition players, decency or the law'"
Continual chanting being "one Johnny Walker" for about 30 seconds?  or the little back & forth with Senior? which Ryan Hall even joined in with?
It's a completely different story when it's Leeds fans chanting & cheering when players are down injured isn't it? and don't say it doesn't happen because every time someone gets injured at Headingley on TV you can clearly hear the cheering, chanting of the player who caused the injuries names then some times booing the injured player off the pitch.
Quote LS16_Rhino="DoubleAone"Burgess was clearly badly injured almost immediately and I have always stated here [size=200IMHO[/size THIS PARTICULAR celebration was out of order.'"
So in your opinion, celebrating a big hit, then stopping when he realised Burgess was injured, is wrong?
Does that mean we should ban players celebrating from now on then?
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| The big issue for me in the Luke Burgess injury was that at 78 minutes and 38-6 down the game was dead, For the young kid to run 50 metres in the dying minutes of the game and put such a hit on an opposing player, accident or not, for me there was clear intent to do damage. Had he and the rest of the Tigers team played to a similar level for the previous 78 minutes (Chase & Ferris apart) or had the score been really close it may have warranted a hit like that, not that I'm saying Cas should have rolled over and accepted their fate but there was nothing to gain other than to put an opposing player in hospital plus the celebration was shocking.
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| Quote ROCHDALERHINO="ROCHDALERHINO"The big issue for me in the Luke Burgess injury was that at 78 minutes and 38-6 down the game was dead, For the young kid to run 50 metres in the dying minutes of the game and put such a hit on an opposing player, accident or not, for me there was clear intent to do damage. Had he and the rest of the Tigers team played to a similar level for the previous 78 minutes (Chase & Ferris apart) or had the score been really close it may have warranted a hit like that, not that I'm saying Cas should have rolled over and accepted their fate but there was nothing to gain other than to put an opposing player in hospital plus the celebration was shocking.'"
So now a young player isn't allowed to show commitment for 80 minutes and put in a big hit? the excuses get worse
He clearly wasn't trying to put him in hospital either, like you've quite wrongly said, he was merely trying to make an impression to the coaches and force a knock on, which he did. It wasn't a clear intent to do damage bloody hell you'll try find a purpose for an accidental head collision  if Walker came off second best, you'd have all been laughing at how he made himself look stupid etc etc, but because it happened to one of your lot you complain about it being a disgraceful act, when it was a freak injury that wouldn't happen 99/100, just like Richard Owen's injury at Bradford - it happens, deal with it.
And how was the celebration shocking? he stopped as soon as he saw Burgess was injured
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Seriously, what is agreeable about ANYTHING he put? if you think a kid trying to put a big hit in and show effort is disgraceful etc I'd suggest RL is too rough a sport for you to be watching, go watch Football if you think he was being too rough for your precious little mind.
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| Quote ROCHDALERHINO="ROCHDALERHINO"The big issue for me in the Luke Burgess injury was that at 78 minutes and 38-6 down the game was dead, For the young kid to run 50 metres in the dying minutes of the game and put such a hit on an opposing player, accident or not, for me there was clear intent to do damage. Had he and the rest of the Tigers team played to a similar level for the previous 78 minutes (Chase & Ferris apart) or had the score been really close it may have warranted a hit like that, not that I'm saying Cas should have rolled over and accepted their fate but there was nothing to gain other than to put an opposing player in hospital plus the celebration was shocking.'"
Because its a morale booster to put a big hit in. At least shows you put some effort in.
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| Quote inside_man="inside_man"Because its a morale booster to put a big hit in. At least shows you put some effort in.'"
Bingo.
The poor me attitude the Leeds fans have over this is quite amusing, they've made a big deal out of an accident and a kid showing some effort and commitment, he's only played a handful of games, of course he's going to want to make an impression, not to mention the big hit seems to be his "thing", the Burgess twins in the friendlies both got big hit by him, James Stosic did last year (and he went back further then he went forward Walker hit him that hard).
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| Quote Gaslight="Gaslight"Continual chanting being "one Johnny Walker" for about 30 seconds?
or the little back & forth with Senior? which Ryan Hall even joined in with?
It's a completely different story when it's Leeds fans chanting & cheering when players are down injured isn't it? and don't say it doesn't happen because every time someone gets injured at Headingley on TV you can clearly hear the cheering, chanting of the player who caused the injuries names then some times booing the injured player off the pitch.'"
The most serious injury I’ve seen in recent times at Headingley was when Senior tacked Chev Walker and his bone was sticking through the side of his leg.
I suggest you watch the reaction of the South Stand that night.
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| Quote Gaslight="Gaslight"So now a young player isn't allowed to show commitment for 80 minutes and put in a big hit? the excuses get worse
He clearly wasn't trying to put him in hospital either, like you've quite wrongly said, he was merely trying to make an impression to the coaches and force a knock on, which he did. It wasn't a clear intent to do damage bloody hell you'll try find a purpose for an accidental head collision
if Walker came off second best, you'd have all been laughing at how he made himself look stupid etc etc, but because it happened to one of your lot you complain about it being a disgraceful act, when it was a freak injury that wouldn't happen 99/100, just like Richard Owen's injury at Bradford - it happens, deal with it.
And how was the celebration shocking? he stopped as soon as he saw Burgess was injured
Seriously, what is agreeable about ANYTHING he put? if you think a kid trying to put a big hit in and show effort is disgraceful etc I'd suggest RL is too rough a sport for you to be watching, go watch Football if you think he was being too rough for your precious little mind.'"
You dont read what is written do you. review back a few posts. No one has condemned the hit or the accidental contact and we all accept the nature of the game involves the possibilty of serious injury... as we keep saying they are all big boys.
What is in question here was the mindset of the Cas players and the OTT celebrations afterwards in this particular instance. 
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| Quote DoubleAone="DoubleAone"You dont read what is written do you. review back a few posts. No one has condemned the hit or the accidental contact and we all accept the nature of the game involves the possibilty of serious injury... as we keep saying they are all big boys.
What is in question here was the mindset of the Cas players and the OTT celebrations afterwards in this particular instance.
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The quote I highlighted was saying the hit was disgraceful and he was intentionally trying to harm Burgess, which is totally wrong, and you agree with.
There was NOTHING wrong with what he did after either, I've just watched it again, he bounces up and down fired up because he made a big hit and forced a knock on, look at him STOP as soon as he sees Burgess is seriously hurt, any player would react the same, and they do just watch next time a player puts in a big hit, you'll see them react in a similar way, Ryan Bailey does it every time too, so you can't complain about Walkers reaction when you applaud Bailey every time he does the same thing.
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