Re: Ferres to Roosters falls through. : Wed Dec 16, 2015 6:20 pm  

I think a fee of around £50k is something Leeds would pay. We have in the past for the likes of Hardaker and Aiton and IIRC we paid a fee for Griffin?

My only real reservation regards Ferres is his recent transgression. However, if the club can satisfy themselves regarding his character then he's a quality player who's available, so we should be interested. As others have said I think he'd add something to our backrow and crucially give the likes of Ablett and Delaney a break every so often. Even more important now as you'd imagine Cuthbertson will move back to prop from loose forward.

If Leeds are happy with his character and we can fit him in the salary cap, then I think we should go for him.

Re: Ferres to Roosters falls through. : Wed Dec 16, 2015 8:21 pm  

I'm guessing he may have some personality issues if what happened at the Giants is to be believed. If the entire dressing room has turned on him then he might not have been the most popular player on the squad in the first place.

Do we want a player like that at Leeds, regardless of his talents?

Re: Ferres to Roosters falls through. : Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:05 pm  

Fat Boy wrote:

I'm guessing he may have some personality issues if what happened at the Giants is to be believed. If the entire dressing room has turned on him then he might not have been the most popular player on the squad in the first place.

I think the issue was that serious that it doesn't matter how popular he was, he has to leave that particular dressing room.

In Hardaker, Hall, Watkins, Briscoe, Ablett, Burrow we have several players who will know him from England duty over the last couple of years as well as former Hudds player Mullally that can offer their opinion of him as a potential addition to the squad to the coaches and management.

Re: Ferres to Roosters falls through. : Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:00 pm  

Gotcha wrote:

And you would be wrong. He is comfortably over it.

Coming from the person who said Wire had signed Westerman to be Clark's chauffeur (or vice versa?), I think I'll take your comments with a pinch of salt

Re: Ferres to Roosters falls through. : Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:04 am  

Stevosfalseteeth wrote:

Coming from the person who said Wire had signed Westerman to be Clark's chauffeur (or vice versa?), I think I'll take your comments with a pinch of salt

You would have to assume Ferres is one of Hudds most highly paid players along with Brough. Not unreasonable to think he might be on £100k+. Not every club balances it's salaries as well as Leeds.

Though he may have to take a pay cut, or Hudds may be willing to continue to pay some of it.

Re: Ferres to Roosters falls through. : Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:56 am  

He would take some of the pressure off Ablett and also could free Ward up to play at 13.

Re: Ferres to Roosters falls through. : Thu Dec 17, 2015 1:31 am  

rhinos21 wrote:

He would take some of the pressure off Ablett and also could free Ward up to play at 13.

Yep.
With Ward at 13 itd leave Ablett, Delaney, Ferres and JJB vying for the 3 second rower spots in the 17. Meaning we can rest one of them, and occasionally Ward, without an appreciable loss of quality.

Personally I reckon a forward pack and bench of:

8. Galloway
9. Falloon
10. Cuthbertson
11. Ferres
12. Ablett
13. Ward

14. Burrow
15. Garbutt
16. Singleton
17. Delaney/JJB

Is very strong and still leaves us one of Delaney or JJB plus Achurch, Keinhorst and Walters to cover injuries.

I wouldn't add a second rower just for the sake of it, but a second rower of Ferres quality is a different matter and would be a good addition to the squad.
If we don't get him then it's not the end of the world either.

Re: Ferres to Roosters falls through. : Thu Dec 17, 2015 7:01 am  

Stevosfalseteeth wrote:

Coming from the person who said Wire had signed Westerman to be Clark's chauffeur (or vice versa?), I think I'll take your comments with a pinch of salt

That is a bit of a dipstick comment. I have never once said Westerman was signed to be Clarks chauffeur, I said tongue in cheek he would be Clarks Chauffeur. You can't see the difference? It was an answer to an issue for a Wire, that fit. Westerman is a class player, and why Leeds included were in for him, whether he can drive or not.

Now get in the real world and understand salaries. It's funny that you spout if he is in it for money, then Salford will be his destination, yet you discount that his current club would pay this salary.

Re: Ferres to Roosters falls through. : Thu Dec 17, 2015 7:47 am  

Gotcha wrote:

That is a bit of a dipstick comment. I have never once said Westerman was signed to be Clarks chauffeur, I said tongue in cheek he would be Clarks Chauffeur. You can't see the difference? It was an answer to an issue for a Wire, that fit. Westerman is a class player, and why Leeds included were in for him, whether he can drive or not.

Now get in the real world and understand salaries. It's funny that you spout if he is in it for money, then Salford will be his destination, yet you discount that his current club would pay this salary.

I just deleted a post due to not reading back through i was thinking you wasn't of the belief Ferres wasn't on over 100k, apologies.

Yes i think it is a safe bet he will be on 100k plus due to his fine WC and the strong negotiating stand point he had at his last negotiations, being a star man in the Hudds. team and into his prime years too.

Re: Ferres to Roosters falls through. : Thu Dec 17, 2015 8:29 am  

Mark Laurie wrote:

Take the point but most good players move now with no fee. I have no idea of wages etc involved but only recent comparable case is carney. Still on a long contract at cas. They have reduced their liability for 1 year by loaning to Salford. Fee is £50k plus 4 years wages for a guy Hudds can't play. Be surprised if hetherington takes on a £500k plus bill for a guy that Hudds cannot get on pitch that comes with a bad news story, club image impact, leaving aside the whole dressing room possible risk. Any club in for Ferres will be trying to drive Hudds to pay some of wages never mind jumping in with a big 4 year contract plus £50k. it is certainly the position we most need strengthening though.

If Leeds were the only show in town they could afford to drive down costs. But there are other clubs who will pay more, but don't have the current status of Leeds. It will come down to how selfish Ferres is; does he want money or success.