Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Sun Jun 05, 2016 10:36 am  

2015 McDermott with Sinfield, Peacock = LLS

2016 McDermott without Sinfield, Peacock = currently adrift in 12th

The results speak for themselves and in business/sport nobody cares if you used to be good.

Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Sun Jun 05, 2016 10:36 am  

brearley84 wrote:

grix is available at the end of this season?? ferres and mullally done a great job so why not

Dont worry fella Ferres and Mullally are now getting used to playing in front of a crowd so will improve soon. After years of playing in front of your silent 200 the switch to Leeds was a bit noisy for them.

Bottom of the league v Catalans and 14k turn up. What did you lot get when you topped the league??? 116 was it???

Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Sun Jun 05, 2016 10:40 am  

We seem to have very polar opposite view here either he can do no wrong or everything is macs fault. The truth lies somewhere in the middle. The success we have had he has a part in equally in the decay he also has a role

Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Sun Jun 05, 2016 10:42 am  

Juan Cornetto wrote:

BM took over a side in decline who were poor the season before. Most of the golden generation were past their prime when Mac took over with world class players like Ellis, Buderus, Webb and Ali gone or on their way out too. Coach of the year Mac has shown he is a winning motivator, tactician with the proven abilities to produce great defensive and offensive performances.

I think for you to state we only have " a small smattering of injuries which do not disrupt too much" shows the paucity and inaccuracy of your arguments.

I suggest you re-read. The passage you quoted was in the paragraph where I was referring to 2011-2015. ie he is OK with world class players in a settled champion team, with "a small smattering of injuries which do not disrupt too much".

I shall not require an apology re "shows the paucity and inaccuracy of your arguments"

Your first paragraph is just waffle.

Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Sun Jun 05, 2016 10:47 am  

Ferdy wrote:

We seem to have very polar opposite view here either he can do no wrong or everything is macs fault. The truth lies somewhere in the middle. The success we have had he has a part in equally in the decay he also has a role

I concur.

Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Sun Jun 05, 2016 10:49 am  

Marty Grrrrrrrrrr! wrote:

Whats fascinating about some fans with McD is that he had nothing to do with winning 3 Grand Finals, 2 Challenge Cups, 1 Shield and a WCC that was all down to the players but loses are simply and solely down to him. How does that add up?

To use words like spiteful for not picking a young prop with no evidence to back that up seems ridiculous to me.

As for Vickery and Cross and probably many others we could all name yes McD picked them the same way every other coach has picked players we dont agree with but he is paid to select what he thinks is best team available. He isnt doing it out of spite FFS.

Given the success he has had i reckon he has made more right decisions than wrong.

For the record (as you were replying to my post), I did not use the word spiteful (or anything resembling it)

Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Sun Jun 05, 2016 10:53 am  

tvoc wrote:

2015 McDermott with Sinfield, Peacock = LLS

2016 McDermott without Sinfield, Peacock = currently adrift in 12th

The results speak for themselves and in business/sport nobody cares if you used to be good.

Yes, all those tributes to Muhammad Ali make that abundantly clear.

However, the first part of your post is beyond dispute. Despite what others have posted, I struggle to see Peacock coaching in any tactical sense. Sinfield, possibly. I reckon their real value came from them stamping their values onto the team, probably between games as much as during them. I've no doubt McDermott is trying to instil exactly the same ethos. Difference is, without anyone on the playing side to reinforce it he's struggling badly. I've no real objection to changing the coach but I do feel that unless the club signs a player/players that can get the squad to really knuckle down there'll be scant improvement.

Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Sun Jun 05, 2016 11:00 am  

son of headingley wrote:

For the record (as you were replying to my post), I did not use the word spiteful (or anything resembling it)

No you didnt SoH but a previous poster did.

Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Sun Jun 05, 2016 11:07 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Nobody is wafting anything aside - I am not asking for him to go, personally I can't see that happening.

All I am asking is given everything is the team performing to its potential? If it is McDermott has nothing to answer to, if it isn't then surely McDermott must take his share of the blame?

So I ask again do you think - most points conceded, least points scored, bottom of the table - is the best the McDermott could have achieved in the circumstances?

So let us be clear Sal, do you want a change of coach or do you want Mac to stay?

I am not so deep in the blame game as you but my view is based on what is clearly and firstly the players that are failing to perform. IMO this has been down to errors and poor decision making that has been the personal responsibility of those same players who should know how to tackle, pass and where to stand in the defensive line as they have done hundreds of times previously. Your whole argument is based an assumption that the coach is not working on the training field to improve performances. Why do you think the likes of Hardaker, Watkins and recently McGuire are making schoolboy errors?

I believe there are reasonable reasons outside the coaches control. Confidence like momentum are great when going for you but much more difficult to arrest when running against you. This season has been a very odd one throughout SL and just a few less errors at crucial times in games could have seen us mid table now.

But we are where we are and we have to accept that and we would all do better to get behind the players and coaches to try and lift the confidence rather than yet more and more negative topics that all repeat the same thing.

Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Sun Jun 05, 2016 11:17 am  

Clearwing wrote:

Yes, all those tributes to Muhammad Ali make that abundantly clear.

An understandable reaction to a recent event doesn't make the saying any less true. There will be a time for a reflection on McDermott's Headingley career but the current situation won't wait.