Re: SLQ 7 - Leigh Centurions H. : Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:11 pm  

Gotcha wrote:

So it wasn't McDermott that brought him through. Exactly as I said then. And you missed his serious injury that ruled him out for a long spell. Three years development before the idiot got with him, then not kicked on since. Always was a great player.

No McDermott didn't give him his debut but the debate was about developing players not debuts so no not what you said. I also didn't include the injuries other three quarters had that gave him the few games he got. If you don't think he's developed since the skinny kid who lost the ball twice over the line vs Melbourne in the 2010 WCC then I don't what you're watching.

Gotcha wrote:

Again, no need to repeat what I already said.

Because it was flawed and showed McDermott helped develop BJB.

Gotcha wrote:

A position he would have been in at any club and any coach. He was destined for that from the start, again as I said.

So if he'd have been at Wakey or Salford he'd be in exactly the same position as he is now? Considering he's had two bad shoulder injuries and missed two preseasons in a row that he couldn't bulk up in then as soon as he got one he had a great season. I suppose other coaches would've stopped Ward getting those injuries in your world.

Wasn't it McDermott who when Ward asked to go to Australia at the end of 2014, he told him no and to knuckle down and low and behold he has his best year in 2015 and has taken over Sinfield's 13 shirt and tipped to be out next long term captain? Not bad going from the coach IMO.

Gotcha wrote:

Sutcliffe has been playing enough games now to justify a postion and his first choice status. He is in because of limited options. Not moved on from his academy days. Again, what I said, no development. Just throwing someone in is not developing them.

They could've brought someone in when Sinfield retired, could've looked at bringing someone in for Hardaker on loan, also doesn't look like they will for next year and instead trust Sutcliffe. Picked him ahead of Sinfield a few times last year against the backdrop of criticism from fans.

Gotcha wrote:

Why throw him in the mix, he held him back for no reason, then was forced to go with him. Should hae been earlier, and the lad would be further on in his development.

Why bring Singleton into the mix on a debate about young academy players developing under McDermott??? Because he's a young academy player that's come through during McDermott's time......that's why.

How was he forced? Like Burgess, Cross, Amor or Baldwinson, if McDermott doesn't want to pick someone then he won't pick him. Maybe he didn't think Singleton was ready, who knows as we don't see them everyday like he does.

Perhaps like with other young props he doesn't think they're physically ready to be thrown in. Note all the other academy players above and the reoccurring theme.....all had serious injuries early on in their careers. What serious injuries has Singleton had? Perhaps holding him back a year or so is exactly the reason why. Also add how often we've had to play since the start of 2012 without a proper hooker and he might think a young prop doesn't have the experience to deal with the major difference of not having a hooker besides him in that middle unit.

Re: SLQ 7 - Leigh Centurions H. : Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:34 pm  

Well Joel Moon is in the halves so congratulations Leigh on an undefeated middle 8s

Re: SLQ 7 - Leigh Centurions H. : Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:39 pm  

WF Rhino wrote:

Well Joel Moon is in the halves so congratulations Leigh on an undefeated middle 8s

That is a little harsh on Moon, but I don't understand why we haven't given Sanderson a go from the under 19s who by all accounts has been playing well. For anyone who still denies that Mcdermott doesn't give youth a chance, just look at todays team selection, we are cramming a centre in the halves in a meaningless game, rather than giving a young player a chance to show what he can do.
That Patton at Wire on the other hand has been given a chance and was one of there best players last week.

Re: SLQ 7 - Leigh Centurions H. : Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:44 pm  

Barrie's Glass Eye wrote:

Maybe your being sarcastic, but I'm pretty sure it was Brain who picked Gale up when he was at London (then harlequins) at the time. He's also given Lilley And Sutty goes in the halves.

He's in a lose lose situation. we go with young halves, we are likely to be in for another less than stellar season. We go out and sign the right sort of halfback, and some fans (Not specifically you) will attack him with the Mac doesn't develop youngsters stick.

I am being sarcastic. It is crazy that people want to dump McDermott because he can't bring through young players, and also argue that we should go out and sign Luke Gale, a player McDermott brought through.

Re: SLQ 7 - Leigh Centurions H. : Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:53 pm  

leedsnsouths wrote:

That is a little harsh on Moon, but I don't understand why we haven't given Sanderson a go from the under 19s who by all accounts has been playing well. For anyone who still denies that Mcdermott doesn't give youth a chance, just look at todays team selection, we are cramming a centre in the halves in a meaningless game.

Yeah we'll forget he went with Lilley in a WCC and didn't cram someone into the halves then because of tonight. Also looking at the team selection I see Golding, Keinhorst, Sutcliffe, Singleton, Ward, Jordan-Roberts, Smith, Handley and Hallas.

Re: Bev Risman Trophy : Thu Sep 22, 2016 6:01 pm  

I see Sky splashed out on the trophy....or got one of their employees to steal his nan's flower vase.

Re: SLQ 7 - Leigh Centurions H. : Thu Sep 22, 2016 6:21 pm  

leedsnsouths wrote:

That is a little harsh on Moon, but I don't understand why we haven't given Sanderson a go from the under 19s who by all accounts has been playing well. For anyone who still denies that Mcdermott doesn't give youth a chance, just look at todays team selection, we are cramming a centre in the halves in a meaningless game, rather than giving a young player a chance to show what he can do.
That Patton at Wire on the other hand has been given a chance and was one of there best players last week.

I'm a big fan of Moon but he is definitely not a half back as the games we've played with him there as shown. It's a shame that Sanderson didn't get a go as by all accounts he deserves it but the oldest player on the bench is Handley so we can't exactly use today's squad as a criticism on McDermott's youth policy.

Re: SLQ 7 - Leigh Centurions H. : Thu Sep 22, 2016 6:25 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

Yeah we'll forget he went with Lilley in a WCC and didn't cram someone into the halves then because of tonight. Also looking at the team selection I see Golding, Keinhorst, Sutcliffe, Singleton, Ward, Jordan-Roberts, Smith, Handley and Hallas.

Are there any senior players he has left out? He is forced to plays these guys through injury. Also Singleton Keinhorst Ward and Sutcliffe are established players.
Lilly didn't make his debut in the WCC did he? He had already played a few games in preseason (forced through Sutcliffes injury) and it would have been downright stupid not to pick him
Also Sanderson is an organising half and so would pair with Sutcliffe much better than moon

Re: SLQ 7 - Leigh Centurions H. : Thu Sep 22, 2016 6:28 pm  

WF Rhino wrote:

I'm a big fan of Moon but he is definitely not a half back as the games we've played with him there as shown. It's a shame that Sanderson didn't get a go as by all accounts he deserves it but the oldest player on the bench is Handley so we can't exactly use today's squad as a criticism on McDermott's youth policy.

Its not necessarily the age of players that is the problem, it is that it seems that unless we are desperate Mac rarely ever give an U19s player a chance. Compare us to Wire who have given plenty of young players debuts (unforced through injury) and are better for it

Re: SLQ 7 - Leigh Centurions H. : Thu Sep 22, 2016 7:47 pm  

WF Rhino wrote:

Well Joel Moon is in the halves so congratulations Leigh on an undefeated middle 8s

Nevermind