Re: Garbage - get rid of him 2 : Wed Aug 17, 2016 4:49 pm  

tad rhino wrote:

fair points but lol how sentimentality cost revies Leeds. Ferguson was the master at knowing when to be ruthless and rebuild

I agree we need to rebuild but we are only talking about McGuire and burrow having 1 year left. JJB has not signed yet for 2017.

Last year he won Harry Sunderland trophy. If you axed a great Leeds player like McGuire with one year left what message does that send to others about the club? If club forced issue would need to pay him in full anyway which comes off the salary cap, if I understand that correctly (which I probably don't).

If he really feels that the injuries have finished him off, he may retire but I doubt it.

It is easier to be ruthless with multi millionaires and no salary cap, even then he kept scholes for years.

Re: Garbage - get rid of him 2 : Wed Aug 17, 2016 5:48 pm  

it is difficult and he's been an outstanding player. I think everyone realises we need a top half back for next year so something has to give cap and roster wise

Re: Garbage - get rid of him 2 : Wed Aug 17, 2016 6:19 pm  

McGuire will be a Leeds player next year unless he calls it a day himself. his place may go to someone else bit he'll still be in the squad I would say

Re: Garbage - get rid of him : Wed Aug 17, 2016 6:34 pm  

Juan Cornetto wrote:

JJB has a high work rate and can play long minutes. He also has an unmatched enthusiasm and never say die attitude which is infectious. He may not be as good as in his younger days but nobody matches his consistent high tackle rate which allows the likes of Garbutt to make make big metres due to less tackles (29 less than JJB against Hull KR and 373 less tackles for the season) In a team game players can have complementary roles. IMO JJB still has a vital role in the side and we play less well without him. Cuthbertson is a shadow of his former self and does not deserve a spot currently. Keinhorst does deserve more time in place of others rather than JJB.

Ahhh the good old "spreedsheet uber Coach" has spoken
What you didnt see is how knckered Jjb was after 25minutes only for your "hero" to switch him to prop!!
Gotcha has covered the other defensive issues as for Cuthbo maybe your idol has managed him woefully ala Delaney et al.

Re: Garbage - get rid of him 2 : Wed Aug 17, 2016 6:35 pm  

Mark Laurie wrote:

JJB has not signed yet for 2017.

jjb has some serious thinking to do as he has a couple of options available for 2017

i fully take on board what posters have said regarding him looking poor whilst he has defended out wide and that he has lacked the pace to play there anymore ( he was selected to defend out wide by mac)

jamie has always been very self critical of his performances and has always said that he would not over stay his welcome should his level drop below his own high standards,

he has told me that he knows that he can still give some top quality performances for 2017 but that he needs to be defending around the ruck area each game to maximise his impact on the side

jamie is still the leader of our group both on and off the field and his influence runs very highly throughout the club and he is still an integral part in us moving forward and integrating our next generation of players

imo i believe that he will have one last season playing in 2017

Re: Garbage - get rid of him 2 : Wed Aug 17, 2016 6:41 pm  

if he plays centrally I don't have an issue. but you have you have to ask why our esteemed coach continues to have him defending out wide??

Re: Garbage - get rid of him 2 : Wed Aug 17, 2016 6:52 pm  

tad rhino wrote:

it is difficult and he's been an outstanding player. I think everyone realises we need a top half back for next year so something has to give cap and roster wise

I agree. I think this coming few years could be the most difficult for GH to try and keep Leeds in the trophy hunt. A team getting old together and with little to come out of the academy in short term. There is little quality to buy in uk and getting quality from aus is increasingly tough.

Given what jonesy has said above, my best guess is that McGuire, burrow and JJB leave at end of 2017.

Hardaker and the hooker then become key. Although Leeds can say hardaker will only go with a fee, they are stuck signing wise not knowing if he will return.

From little I know they went after gale earlier in year. No chance of getting a good young Aussie half, so choice will be the stick with what have or enter the Aussie misfit halfback game.

Again best guess is we won't sign such a character

Re: Garbage - get rid of him 2 : Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:49 pm  

tad rhino wrote:

fair points but lol how sentimentality cost revies Leeds. Ferguson was the master at knowing when to be ruthless and rebuild

Didn't cost Revie all that much, he won the league the year before he left, then Clough came in and spent more on players in 6 weeks than revue did in all his time at Leeds and they were a disaster.
That shows the dangers of disrupting a squad if nothing else. Many have spoke of a culture problem this year, getting rid of one of the clubs best servants certainly won't help that.

Re: Garbage - get rid of him 2 : Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:50 pm  

but the squad all got old together.thats my point

Re: Garbage - get rid of him 2 : Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:57 pm  

tad rhino wrote:

but the squad all got old together.thats my point

Our teams average age is lower than it was last year when we won the treble, so Im not sure your point stands.

IMO we should loan out Hardaker next year and sell Achurch, that should be enough to get a decent half to play alongside McGuire.