Re: Garbage - get rid of him 2 : Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:15 pm  

but is McGuire good enough any more and fit enough to play at least 50% of the games. both are doubtful

Re: Garbage - get rid of him 2 : Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:17 pm  

depends which team is put out regarding average age. a team with handley and lilley is less than one with hall and McGuire. also i'm guessing it was kylie, JP and sinfield that bumped up last years average so this year was bound to be less whichever way you look at it

Re: Garbage - get rid of him 2 : Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:24 pm  

leedsnsouths wrote:

Our teams average age is lower than it was last year when we won the treble, so Im not sure your point stands.

IMO we should loan out Hardaker next year and sell Achurch, that should be enough to get a decent half to play alongside McGuire.

Agree Hardaker position is key.

Suspect even the sleeve would struggle to raise more than 10 bob and a bag of conkers for Achurch.

Re: Garbage - get rid of him 2 : Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:30 pm  

Achurch is off contract and end of year, so we wont be selling him. He'll just leave. Hopefully.

Re: Garbage - get rid of him 2 : Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:36 pm  

leedsnsouths wrote:

Didn't cost Revie all that much, he won the league the year before he left, then Clough came in and spent more on players in 6 weeks than revue did in all his time at Leeds and they were a disaster.
That shows the dangers of disrupting a squad if nothing else. Many have spoke of a culture problem this year, getting rid of one of the clubs best servants certainly won't help that.

Yet after Leeds United Clough went on to have more success than Revie ever had!

Re: Garbage - get rid of him 2 : Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:38 pm  

tad rhino wrote:

fair points but lol how sentimentality cost revies Leeds. Ferguson was the master at knowing when to be ruthless and rebuild

A lot of Ferguson's ruthlessness though came from getting rid of players he fell out with like Beckham, Ince, Keane etc. and a "no one player is bigger than the club" stance, not because he thought they had 12 months too many on the clock. Also a lot easier to rebuild when you're one of the richest clubs in the world in football.

Re: Garbage - get rid of him 2 : Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:39 pm  

tad rhino wrote:

but is McGuire good enough any more and fit enough to play at least 50% of the games. both are doubtful

They may need to nurse him throughout the year a bit. Wonder if cuthbo may be going and JJB moved to prop, hope cuthbo stays but it would open up cap space if Hardaker also stays down under. I'm not sure about JJB at prop but I guess then he should get rest time in games and not get so knackered as of late.

On Friday we seems to be playing Sutcliffe at prop in first half. The only thing I know for sure is I know nothing about modern rugby league

Re: Garbage - get rid of him 2 : Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:56 pm  

If the idea is to go with 3rd prop at Loose, JJB is near perfect for this, even at his age.

What I would like to see us do though is add some more mobility in the front row, all our props seem very leaden footed in defense, which puts added strain on us and was especially noticeable when playing without a 9 defending in the middle.

Re: Garbage - get rid of him 2 : Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:07 am  

Damo-Leeds wrote:

Yet after Leeds United Clough went on to have more success than Revie ever had!

Well this is a little off topic, but there were two major reasons for his success post Leeds (although it wasn't that many trophies tbh)

1) his experience at Leeds knocked him down a peg, I mean how arrogant do you have to be to go into a dressing room full of experienced players and say that they didn't deserve the medals they had won under Revie and should throw them away, getting sacked made him realise he wasn't such the god of football he though he was

2) unlike when he was at Leeds, he has Peter Taylor with him, he was always the one who controlled Clough and imo he should have been called his co-manager not assistant, if he had come to Leeds they probably would have won a European cup or 2 there

Clough is my personal least favourite manager, even if you ignore his arrogance, his homophobic treatment of Justin Fashanu (including even stopping him training with the other players) is for some reason rarely mentioned, but set back attitudes in football for many years and shows the type of person he really was

Re: Garbage - get rid of him 2 : Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:35 am  

Damo-Leeds wrote:

Yet after Leeds United Clough went on to have more success than Revie ever had!

with peter taylor who was the real brains