Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Sun Jun 05, 2016 11:24 am  

Juan Cornetto wrote:

But we are where we are and we have to accept that and we would all do better to get behind the players and coaches to try and lift the confidence rather than yet more and more negative topics that all repeat the same thing.

Firstly this board I believe has no impact on confidence at Headingley and if it has then they are in the wrong business.

And secondly the only time you've been behind Hardaker, Hall and Watkins is with your boot up their arris as they walk through the exit door.

Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Sun Jun 05, 2016 12:04 pm  

.... His stubbornness and spitefulness e.g. Baldwinson non selection does him no favours when the going is tough and you need a few friends. As the saying goes "what goes around comes around"..

More pertinently I believe " make friends on the way up because you never know who you might meet/need on the way down".

Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Sun Jun 05, 2016 12:32 pm  

Juan Cornetto wrote:

I am not so deep in the blame game as you

Really? Would you like me to dig up your posts on Hardaker - or, indeed in this very post, where you state:

Juan Cornetto wrote:

Why do you think the likes of Hardaker, Watkins and recently McGuire are making schoolboy errors?

So it's only a problem if the blame is aimed at BMD?

Juan Cornetto wrote:

Your whole argument is based an assumption that the coach is not working on the training field to improve performances.

I know this is aimed at Sal, but as far as I am concerned I do not question his work ethic & that he is frantically trying to solve our current problems. I do, however, question whether he is the man who can put things right - things have got progressively worse, not better.

I also believe that if we signed Cameron Smith (Aus version), Jonathan Thurston & Matt Scott & got our injured players back that it wouldn't be long before BMD looked like the second coming. Coaches, IMO, show their true worth in adversity.

Juan Cornetto wrote:

we would all do better to get behind the players and coaches to try and lift the confidence rather than yet more and more negative topics that all repeat the same thing.

I am a season ticket holder & attend all home & the occasional away match. I do not believe in booing as it is counterproductive. I do my (very small) part in trying to support & lift the team. Do you? Plus what tvoc said

Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Sun Jun 05, 2016 12:39 pm  

tvoc wrote:

2015 McDermott with Sinfield, Peacock = LLS

2016 McDermott without Sinfield, Peacock = currently adrift in 12th

The results speak for themselves and in business/sport nobody cares if you used to be good.

Selective as usual. You may consider yourself good at filling in spreadsheets but you leave much to be desired in your simplistic analysis.

Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Sun Jun 05, 2016 12:49 pm  

son of headingley wrote:

I suggest you re-read. The passage you quoted was in the paragraph where I was referring to 2011-2015. ie he is OK with world class players in a settled champion team, with "a small smattering of injuries which do not disrupt too much".

Most coaches would have had the same huge problem to overcome the most persistent and unusual injury crisis that Leeds have had to face this season. If you remove the main half or your key asset it is going to have a serious affect on your performances. Pray tell what are your "ingenious plans to cover" this?

Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Sun Jun 05, 2016 12:54 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

I actually think you think McDermott can walk on the surface of the River Aire He appears in your eyes to be completely blameless for the current appalling position.

Because I disagree with your opinion regarding BM does not ipso facto mean I therefore think he can walk on water. It is precisely this sort of flawed logic that you are applying to the coach and why I argue against you.

Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Sun Jun 05, 2016 2:47 pm  

Juan Cornetto wrote:

Most coaches would have had the same huge problem to overcome the most persistent and unusual injury crisis that Leeds have had to face this season. If you remove the main half or your key asset it is going to have a serious affect on your performances. Pray tell what are your "ingenious plans to cover" this?

Careful bringing sensible reasoned argument into this forum. Especially the 'injury excuse' that Mac should have magically accounted for.

Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Sun Jun 05, 2016 3:14 pm  

Juan Cornetto wrote:

Selective as usual. You may consider yourself good at filling in spreadsheets but you leave much to be desired in your simplistic analysis.

Still backing Stuart Lancaster for the England RU job?

Often there is no need to look for complicated answers, sometimes it's quite straight forward even if some prefer to dance around the issue.

I'm sure McDermott had a hand in the Leeds success over the previous five seasons as one part of the senior trio which included Sinfield and Peacock. On his own it's turned to dust even quicker than his biggest critics could have anticipated.

Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Sun Jun 05, 2016 4:06 pm  

Ferdy wrote:

We seem to have very polar opposite view here either he can do no wrong or everything is macs fault. The truth lies somewhere in the middle. The success we have had he has a part in equally in the decay he also has a role

Completely agree but i will add when you read comments this season or previous ones you wont find ANY that blame the Coach for EVERYTHING that went or has gone wrong.
Indeed alot of comments where posters dare to ?? The Coach were valid at that moment in time in terms of performances/selections & results.
I dont mind admitting after calling for his sacking a few years ago he & the team proved us wrong & that was great to see.
Of course JC et al will have you believe picking injured players ,using only 15/16 men or selecting his favourites when in a sustained run of poor form is top class Coaching acumen & anybody who questions it has poor judgement because we got it wrong wanting him sacked in previous years.
The fact remains as we stand we are bottom of SL playing the worst RL ive seen in the last 15/20yrs.
Now its a given injuries & pre-season disruptions play a part in that as does questionable recruitment but to sit back & absolve this Coach of any blame imo is wrong & also shows we've gone as far as we can under him.
The 17 available are capable & should be better than they've produced simple as that they still concede the same type of tries they still look clueless in attack & the Coach has failed to address it.
Hopefully GH will cut out the BS & the on/off field clear out will begin so we can hit 2017 running.
Yes players are culpable as is GH but so is the Coach & ATEOTD the buck stops with him other teams have suffered this year & indeed had 1 or 2 hammerings but they've recovered to perform even missing key players we look nowhere near & mssrs Smith & Mclennon left/were let go with much better final seasons on their CV's.

Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Sun Jun 05, 2016 4:20 pm  

Juan Cornetto wrote:

Most coaches would have had the same huge problem to overcome the most persistent and unusual injury crisis that Leeds have had to face this season. If you remove the main half or your key asset it is going to have a serious affect on your performances. Pray tell what are your "ingenious plans to cover" this?

Yes they would - the point is that BMD hasn't made a very good fist of it.

As far as ingenious plans, perhaps I as being a bit tongue in cheek (hence the quotation marks). But BMD is a highly paid professional coach who is tasked with getting the most out of the resources available to him. I quite simply feel that he has not been able to do this. He has been found wanting.

Given the line-ups vs Widnes (A), Salford (A), Wakefield (H), HKR (H) & Castleford (H), before the debacle of this season, would people rather have had the opposition's team or Leeds' to coach? (I might also add Catalans (H) - with 7 of their players unavailable - ooh ooh we had 8/9/10* *delete as applicable). I think most sane-minded know the answer.