Re: Will McShane ask for a transfer ? : Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:28 pm  

Juan Cornetto wrote:

I did. So McS made a try with a good pass from a PTB against Cas - big deal. He has never given an 80 minute performance like Lunt did in his first game for Leeds and has never shown enough to be rated as anything more than promising. He has sadly failed to show the improvement necessary to make the 9 spot his own and now could be down to 4th choice at Leeds.

Did you see his game v cas away last year?
Did you think he was ordinary v Manly?
Lets also get some perspective here Lunt is 25 and has made the England squad Mcshane in SL terms is still a young lad learning the game and has played a bit part mostly and before you jump in with "because of his form" what did he do wrong not to get picked away at Wigan or after the Manly game when the coach clearly stated he was just "rotating" him with Hood?
Afterall yer posturing over Farrell in yawnion you go and write kid off because someone with more experience has a good debut what next ditch watkins because Ablett has played well at Centre?
I can't wait for your reaction to Lunt when he's poor in cr## team performance wil he get the blame like Macca has?

Re: Will McShane ask for a transfer ? : Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:19 pm  

I just can't ever see mcshane been a regular top performer

3 seasons on the fringes now

Re: Will McShane ask for a transfer ? : Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:37 pm  

Juan Cornetto wrote:

- big deal. He has never given an 80 minute performance like Lunt did in his first game for Leeds

Neither had Lunt before Friday. That was the 1st time he'd done 80 mins in his career.

Re: Will McShane ask for a transfer ? : Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:38 pm  

So it was McShane's fault when the pack gets hammered? I haven't seen every game McShane has played, but he did more than "OK" against Manly. His defence, which many have had a go at, was excellent against a far tougher pack than anything he'll face in SL, and he showed a lot of nous at the PTB, freeing Burrow for more of an orthodox scrum half role. What's odd is then dropping him for Hood almost straight after, rather than giving McShane a real run at the role.

If McShane leaves (unlikely for the time being as presumably Lunt is cup-tied) I personally think he has some grounds for complaining that to date he hasn't been given the sort of run he may have deserved and other players have had.

As for Lunt, I'd expect a full international to be able to step in and do a good job from the off. It will be interesting to see how he's viewed when we have the inevitable bad performance with him in the team.

I tend to find we as fans overestimate players on good days ("nobody could have lived with us", "player X is world class"), and underestimate them on bad days ("nobody could have lived with them", "player X is useless"). The overestimation tends to reach fever pitch with newbies as well.

Re: Will McShane ask for a transfer ? : Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:17 am  

Apologies - Lunt apparently isn't cup-tied as presumably didn't play for Hudds in the cup.

Re: Will McShane ask for a transfer ? : Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:49 am  

rhinoms wrote:

Did you see his game v cas away last year?
Did you think he was ordinary v Manly?
Lets also get some perspective here Lunt is 25 and has made the England squad Mcshane in SL terms is still a young lad learning the game and has played a bit part mostly and before you jump in with "because of his form" what did he do wrong not to get picked away at Wigan or after the Manly game when the coach clearly stated he was just "rotating" him with Hood?
Afterall yer posturing over Farrell in yawnion you go and write kid off because someone with more experience has a good debut what next ditch watkins because Ablett has played well at Centre?
I can't wait for your reaction to Lunt when he's poor in cr## team performance wil he get the blame like Macca has?

i maybe wrong but didn't Lunt & Mcshane both make their super league debuts the same year? whilst i think many would agree that macca's had better hookers in front of him, Lunt has had to deal with N.Brown's 'i want half a team of sevens' so its not been a easy walk in the park for him. Paul's biggest issue for mine is his consistency, he very quickly swings from looking a class act to looking like a championship player (sometimes even in the same game), which in a vital position like hooker is never going to win him any brownie points with either the coach or the fans. So whilst yes i agree that there have been some weird team selections around him, like being dropped after manly, you can hardly blame the coach for not trusting him fully and keeping half an eye on what's best for the team not just the player.

as for the centre comment, I'd certainly be weighing up the pros & cons of ablett taking the other centre spot.

Re: Will McShane ask for a transfer ? : Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:08 am  

BrisbaneRhino wrote:

So it was McShane's fault when the pack gets hammered? I haven't seen every game McShane has played, but he did more than "OK" against Manly. His defence, which many have had a go at, was excellent against a far tougher pack than anything he'll face in SL, and he showed a lot of nous at the PTB, freeing Burrow for more of an orthodox scrum half role. What's odd is then dropping him for Hood almost straight after, rather than giving McShane a real run at the role.

If McShane leaves (unlikely for the time being as presumably Lunt is cup-tied) I personally think he has some grounds for complaining that to date he hasn't been given the sort of run he may have deserved and other players have had.

As for Lunt, I'd expect a full international to be able to step in and do a good job from the off. It will be interesting to see how he's viewed when we have the inevitable bad performance with him in the team.

I tend to find we as fans overestimate players on good days ("nobody could have lived with us", "player X is world class"), and underestimate them on bad days ("nobody could have lived with them", "player X is useless"). The overestimation tends to reach fever pitch with newbies as well.

agreed. Lunts debut was decent but not world class.McShare played well against Manly but certainly not so well its worth using in a discussion. I do think though that he hasn't had a settled run in the team. you have to ask yourself why.

Re: Will McShane ask for a transfer ? : Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:10 am  

rhinoms wrote:

McShane in SL terms is still a young lad learning the game and has played a bit part mostly and before you jump in with "because of his form" what did he do wrong not to get picked away at Wigan or after the Manly game when the coach clearly stated he was just "rotating" him with Hood?

McShane did get picked for the game at Wigan but coach McDermott chose not to use him from the bench and McShane did get selected in the game following Manly which was away at Widnes. The rotating with Hood started the following week at Castleford and including that game McShane has played in five and Hood four of the Leeds games played since.

BrisbaneRhino wrote:

Apologies - Lunt apparently isn't cup-tied as presumably didn't play for Hudds in the cup.

Not sure if it would matter even if he had at this stage of the competition after the Hull FC fiasco in 2008 when they played Jamie Thackray in the opening two rounds (that's round 4 and 5 for SL clubs) which led to the rules being tightened.

Either way providing Leeds get past Salford he'd be available from the quarter-final onwards even under the old rules that Hull fell foul of.

Re: Will McShane ask for a transfer ? : Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:14 pm  

Inside the mind of Juan:

Loves - Ben 'Techncially Awful' Cross

Dislikes - Paul 'Potential' McShane.

Dark place isn't it.

Re: Will McShane ask for a transfer ? : Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:08 pm  

rhinoms wrote:

Did you see his game v cas away last year?
Did you think he was ordinary v Manly?
Lets also get some perspective here Lunt is 25 and has made the England squad Mcshane in SL terms is still a young lad learning the game and has played a bit part mostly and before you jump in with "because of his form" what did he do wrong not to get picked away at Wigan or after the Manly game when the coach clearly stated he was just "rotating" him with Hood?
Afterall yer posturing over Farrell in yawnion you go and write kid off because someone with more experience has a good debut what next ditch watkins because Ablett has played well at Centre?
I can't wait for your reaction to Lunt when he's poor in cr## team performance wil he get the blame like Macca has?

I have already said I saw the Cas game and yes McS had a good game. He made a quick pass from the PTB for Hall to score and made one or two good runs from D/half and scored a try against a poor and tired defence. But that day JP was back and Leeds were up for it and Cas were not.

Against Manly he put in a good defensive stint (as did the rest of the team) and he made one good kick. But he only made a couple of runs and a few metres so was good but not outstanding.

I know you have had a man crush (or was it a boy crush) on McS and have been in his corner so to speak but really two good games is all you can come up with since 2009. It is you who need to get some perspective as despite his promise he has not shown enough consistency or class IMO to command his place at 9. He has not shown the decisive quick distribution needed at this level and will be 23 next so really should have made it by now. I am not writing the "kid" off - it is just that I have never been convinced of his pedigree and I guess successive coaches may share my doubts. I really hope he is a late developer and does make it.

Quite how you can equate my support for Owen Farrell, who has class, and was making his International debut at 20 and who had cemented a place in the RU Champions side at 19 with a player who has failed to gain a regular place at Leeds despite making his debut 3 years ago is odd. Farrell proved my predictions to be correct and your judgement to be wrong. He fully justified my comments with his performances whereas McS has not justified your judgement.....yet.

I have rated Lunt quite highly from what I have seen of him at Hudderfield and he showed all the things I look for on his impressive Leeds debut. Are you saying this was a fluke?

I shall not reply to your other illogical ramblings as I assume you had had a glass or two of Rioja