Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Sun Jun 05, 2016 4:56 pm  

RHINO-MARK wrote:

when you read comments this season or previous ones you wont find ANY that blame the Coach for EVERYTHING that went or has gone wrong.

Maybe so

RHINO-MARK wrote:

but to sit back & absolve this Coach of any blame imo is wrong

Maybe this isn't true either

Personally it's the placing the credit onto Sinfield and Peacock for past success that I find disrespectful and it's only something people jumped on when McDermott himself revealed they did SOME coaching in training and his detractors turned this into they did it ALL.

Also people bringing up his London record to kick him whilst ignoring how badly that club was run as the years passed by and just about any coach would've struggle with that gig under the ownership/management there.

Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Sun Jun 05, 2016 5:05 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

Maybe so

Maybe this isn't true either

Personally it's the placing the credit onto Sinfield and Peacock for past success that I find disrespectful and it's only something people jumped on when McDermott himself revealed they did SOME coaching in training and his detractors turned this into they did it ALL.

Also people bringing up his London record to kick him whilst ignoring how badly that club was run as the years passed by and just about any coach would've struggle with that gig under the ownership/management there.

I never said Sinny/JP did it all plus it wasn't just jumped on either its a pretty rellevant point to make given A where we are & B.The obvious influence both had.
As for London again i never mentioned it but i will say that the owner backed him with a reasonable SC spend as long as he could.

Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Sun Jun 05, 2016 5:09 pm  

RHINO-MARK wrote:

I never said Sinny/JP did it all plus it wasn't just jumped on either its a pretty rellevant point to make given A where we are & B.The obvious influence both had.
As for London again i never mentioned it but i will say that the owner backed him with a reasonable SC spend as long as he could.

It wasn't said as a personal claim against you, just what has been said in general.

Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Sun Jun 05, 2016 5:22 pm  

son of headingley wrote:

My post was in direct reply to Sal but I will address your points anyway.

son of headingley wrote:

Really?

Yes. I did say "not so deep" Most of my posts are positive whereas I would say most (not all) of Sal's are negative. I have confined my critical comments to what can be seen by all on the pitch rather than to speculate on what the coach was or wasn't doing in private. And I am not calling for anyone to be sacked from their job.

son of headingley wrote:

Would you like me to dig up your posts on Hardaker - or, indeed in this very post, where you state:

I am more than happy for you to quote me on Hardaker. I have been consistent in my opinion over some time and applauded his strengths but pointed out his shortcomings too which others consistently failed to see or ignore. Would you not agree that my critical comments in this case have since been proven to be correct?

son of headingley wrote:

So it's only a problem if the blame is aimed at BMD?

No. The difference is that it is the players on the field that are the ones missing tackles, making errors and poor decisions. This is plain for all to see and blame can be apportioned fairly. Why do you consider that when a player misses a tackle or fumbles a pass that this is the fault of the coach? We know from past experience that the coach can do his job but if you take away more than half his team each week on top of losing his long time on-field generals then he is at something of a handicap.

Now I am on record for being critical of the management for the failure to replace the leadership and play making roles of Sinny and JP. IMO had we done that we would be at least mid table now as despite all the problems we have not taken advantage of enough crucial scoring opportunities.

son of headingley wrote:

I know this is aimed at Sal, but as far as I am concerned I do not question his work ethic & that he is frantically trying to solve our current problems. I do, however, question whether he is the man who can put things right - things have got progressively worse, not better.

So who is the man you would replace him with then? and explain why this is worth the risk? I disagree that things have got progressively worse not better. I believe they are in direct proportion to the quality that has been available to the coaches for training and selection. Earlier in the season the coach was accused of losing the dressing room and of the team lacking effort. Well in recent times there is clear evidence of effort and the word coming out from the players is of all pulling together in training so surely this is an improvement?

son of headingley wrote:

I am a season ticket holder & attend all home & the occasional away match. I do not believe in booing as it is counterproductive. I do my (very small) part in trying to support & lift the team. Do you? Plus what tvoc said

You ask do I play my part. Well I have supported Leeds since the late 50s and was a season ticket holder for 40 years (from a time when you were called members with your name on the seat) right up until I semi retired to Spain. I was a founder committee member of the Headingley Grounds branch of the Supporters Club for several years and went to every home and away game for many, many years. I was a club sponsor in the early 80s and last in 2007 (while in Spain) which has more than paid for my season tickets for another 30 years. While in Spain I have made regular trips back and have attended some memorable games. For 9 years or so I was a junior rugby coach and have management experience of a semi pro side. I see all the games on Sky and view the highlights of all the others so with due respect I think I am as qualified as most to form an opinion on players, managers and coaches.

Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Sun Jun 05, 2016 5:23 pm  

Marty Grrrrrrrrrr! wrote:

Dont worry fella Ferres and Mullally are now getting used to playing in front of a crowd so will improve soon. After years of playing in front of your silent 200 the switch to Leeds was a bit noisy for them.

Bottom of the league v Catalans and 14k turn up. What did you lot get when you topped the league??? 116 was it???

Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Sun Jun 05, 2016 5:45 pm  

brearley84 wrote:

:lol:

Doesn't really matter if you get sixty thousand every week if you sit rock bottom of the league.

Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Sun Jun 05, 2016 5:48 pm  

tvoc wrote:

Still backing Stuart Lancaster for the England RU job?

I have a lot of time for Lancaster (we tried to get him as a player coach 18 years back) but he played an important role in reviving England's fortunes and bringing on younger players and the current squad are effectively Lancaster's choices. Quite why the players under performed so badly in the World Cup is still not clear but another example of players failing their coach. That said I was never in favour of Lancaster's pre determined substitution policy which played a part in the key defeat by Wales. But as a RU expert you will know that.

tvoc wrote:

Often there is no need to look for complicated answers, sometimes it's quite straight forward even if some prefer to dance around the issue.

Too true. Nothing complicated about it at all - we have had half our squad (the better half) sitting in the stand injured each week. QED

tvoc wrote:

I'm sure McDermott had a hand in the Leeds success over the previous five seasons as one part of the senior trio which included Sinfield and Peacock. On his own it's turned to dust even quicker than his biggest critics could have anticipated.

How generous of you to afford Mac some crumbs from your table. I see you are trying to spin this theory that Mac was one of three coaches. I do not remember you blaming and calling for the head of these so called co-coaches (Sinfield & JP) in the years since 2011. Can you send me the link for your "taxi for Sinfield and JP" coaching comments

Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Sun Jun 05, 2016 5:56 pm  

son of headingley wrote:

As far as ingenious plans, perhaps I as being a bit tongue in cheek (hence the quotation marks). But BMD is a highly paid professional coach who is tasked with getting the most out of the resources available to him. I quite simply feel that he has not been able to do this. He has been found wanting.
.

I added the quotation marks they were not in your original posting

Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Sun Jun 05, 2016 6:06 pm  

Coming up next week, in another explosive episode of 'Leeds Rhinos - The season gone rottten' you will NOT BELIEVE what Mcdermott says to one of his players after another lackluster training session. Club Dictator Gary Hetherington attempts to bring in some fresh legs, but get's more than he bargained for. Will one single, disastrous decision mean the end? And finally the truth behind the infamous ''pie incident'' exposed. With exclusive never before seen interviews.

All on next week in another hard hitting episode you DO NOT want to miss.

Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Sun Jun 05, 2016 6:08 pm  

FlexWheeler wrote:

Coming up next week, in another explosive episode of 'Leeds Rhinos - The season gone rottten' you will NOT BELIEVE what Mcdermott says to one of his players after another lackluster training session. Club Dictator Gary Hetherington attempts to bring in some fresh legs, but get's more than he bargained for. Will one single, disastrous decision mean the end? And finally the truth behind the infamous ''pie incident'' exposed. With exclusive never before seen interviews.

All on next week in another hard hitting episode you DO NOT want to miss.

That sounds so much like an Ant & Dec comment